PACE concept Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency. Well that’s 4, but 1 on your person, one in the safe at home, and one somewhere off site as a fallback. That’s in the simplest of terms. I have enough that I actually PACE them, 1 on me, one locked away in a stash compartment in my vehicle, one home in the safe, and one elsewhere. If I’m ever at E, you’ll hear about it in the news, involving extradition from another country.A little off topic, I'm also curious about the guys buying triplets. I'm familiar with the logic behind twins, and it makes a good deal of sense, but the 3x multiplier of the same exact carry gun is a new one for me. Can some of you enlighten me?
You should, it’s a Kimber.
PACE concept Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency. Well that’s 4, but 1 on your person, one in the safe at home, and one somewhere off site as a fallback. That’s in the simplest of terms. I have enough that I actually PACE them, 1 on me, one locked away in a stash compartment in my vehicle, one home in the safe, and one elsewhere. If I’m ever at E, you’ll hear about it in the news, involving extradition from another country.
A little off topic, I'm also curious about the guys buying triplets. I'm familiar with the logic behind twins, and it makes a good deal of sense, but the 3x multiplier of the same exact carry gun is a new one for me. Can some of you enlighten me?
I was kinda curious about that myself but I assumed it was a situation that they all weren’t in the same spot at the same time so I didn’t ask the question lol.
Look at things another way, your carry gun is on you, and your backup is in the car. You’re involved in a shooting while in your car, they may search the car and take possession of both you’re primary and secondary, hence the tertiary. Once you get to “E” stuff has gotten bad, and you’re most likely PNG’d from normal sources of obtaining a weapon?Again, I've known plenty of guys that have twins and I get that, but it's a carry and a reserve piece. Spreading guns out all over the country is a cool idea, but not something I've considered in any serious way before.
As far as the questions, somewhat to my surprise, this has been one of the more educational and interesting threads I've seen around here in a bit (admitting I don't read every thread). So... fire away. You're not the only guy learning things here.
Soon these guys are gonna have me selling everything to buy 3 more G21s.
Look at things another way, your carry gun is on you, and your backup is in the car. You’re involved in a shooting while in your car, they may search the car and take possession of both you’re primary and secondary, hence the tertiary. Once you get to “E” stuff has gotten bad, and you’re most likely PNG’d from normal sources of obtaining a weapon?
What if the shooting happens at home? I’m not telling you what to do, just gaming the scenarios. It’s not a stretch to think any firearms on the scene may be collected?I don't store a weapon in my car fulltime or carry a backup. It's up for debate whether or not I should, but, that's not a scenario that would currently effect me. This guys I know with twins usually don't have both in the same place at the same time either, though a couple may carry a BUG and their primary, their secondary is at home (as well as a secondary BUG).
It's my understanding that, if you are forced to use your sidearm in self defense, the likelihood of you going home with that gun in the modern day is zero. Correct?
If, in the above scenario, you have a BUG in the car or in your home, that gun may also end up being deemed "part of the investigation. Right?
What if the shooting happens at home? I’m not telling you what to do, just gaming the scenarios. It’s not a stretch to think any firearms on the scene may be collected?
As I said, just gaming the scenarios. My PACE plan is in place, and I took up geo-caching as a hobby years before the liberal hipsters did.Kinda covered in a previous response. I'm not saying that having an offsite backup isn't a decent idea. I have to admit I'm also looking at the scenario where if they were to do that and then prevent me from buying another gun somehow (I don't think even Zimmerman had that put on him even with the huge spotlight all of that got) that it may be in my best interest to just remain unarmed (I know... I know...). If I'm somehow slapped with murder charges, legally forbidden from getting or owning another gun, and somehow get caught with one, that's not going to bode well for my legal defense. The odds of any of us ever having to use a firearm in defense is almost 0, the odds of having to do it twice in, let's say under 2 years (for the legal case to do its thing), are astronomically small. I'd rather take the risk of being murdered by a second robber than radically increase my risk of dying in prison. I'd rather die right now given those options.
If you're talking about a WOROL situation, then this all changes as there won't be any courts to prosecute me or anyone else.
Not for nothing, but in Indiana, using a firearm for self defense is a positive defense even for a felon. As far as odds yes 99.99% unlikely, but it’s that .01%. What’s to say you waste a mope in the Grundy gang, and his buddies come come gunning for you(Grundy gang used as a what if, but replace with Sons of Silence, Crips, Bloods, etc.)Kinda covered in a previous response. I'm not saying that having an offsite backup isn't a decent idea. I have to admit I'm also looking at the scenario where if they were to do that and then prevent me from buying another gun somehow (I don't think even Zimmerman had that put on him even with the huge spotlight all of that got) that it may be in my best interest to just remain unarmed (I know... I know...). If I'm somehow slapped with murder charges, legally forbidden from getting or owning another gun, and somehow get caught with one, that's not going to bode well for my legal defense. The odds of any of us ever having to use a firearm in defense is almost 0, the odds of having to do it twice in, let's say under 2 years (for the legal case to do its thing), are astronomically small. I'd rather take the risk of being murdered by a second robber than radically increase my risk of dying in prison. I'd rather die right now given those options.
If you're talking about a WROL situation, then this all changes as there won't be any courts to prosecute me or anyone else.
As I said, just gaming the scenarios. My PACE plan is in place, and I took up geo-caching as a hobby years before the liberal hipsters did.
Sure... But my question then becomes if it was good for years why wouldn't you continue to have it around as an option? If you're confident enough in it to save your life for several years, and you have a good system in place, why dump it at all? I get it that needs change and technology advances, but a good system is still good, IMO.
Some of this may just come down to personality types too. I think I have 10 complete, and different, wrench sets out in my tool box in the garage. Do I need 10 complete sets? No... Is it nice to have them? Yes. Could I sell some of them and recover some amount of money? Sure. But, if I have a use for them, if even occasional, I'll keep them around because it just isn't worth it to me financially or otherwise to dump 'em.
Not for nothing, but in Indiana, using a firearm for self defense is a positive defense even for a felon. As far as odds yes 99.99% unlikely, but it’s that .01%. What’s to say you waste a mope in the Grundy gang, and his buddies come come gunning for you(Grundy gang used as a what if, but replace with Sons of Silence, Crips, Bloods, etc.)
I don't use "good" once I have "better." At my work, we have three lawn mowers: two nice zero-turn models, and one 30-year-old John Deere that just keeps running. The first two people mowing each time never choose the JD.
Yep, personality type goes a long way. One wrench set is a tool. Two sets is a spare. Three sets in one garage is clutter, and I don't need clutter.
I've given away several wrench sets. I've also put together vehicle kits that stay in each vehicle, and I see the purpose and value in that. But just having stuff sitting around and taking up space is, to me, the worse option than not having that stuff.