Brace Ban

[KellyinAvon]

The stamps may be a revenue grab.

Prove me wrong please.

A bureaucracy made up of the un-elected and un-appointed, given power by the Supreme Court to write rules, interpret rules, and change rules that have the force of law, that can through the mere act of pushing paper through the bureaucracy of their making force the law-abiding to send them money. Needless to say I won't be taking up the "prove CM wrong" challenge today.

 

[churchmouse]

A bureaucracy made up of the un-elected and un-appointed, given power by the Supreme Court to write rules, interpret rules, and change rules that have the force of law, that can through the mere act of pushing paper through the bureaucracy of their making force the law-abiding to send them money. Needless to say I won't be taking up the "prove CM wrong" challenge today.

Est. 4 million out there. How many will sheepishly apply for the stamps. At $200 a pop.....

 

[Expat]

Helluva coincidence that this is all happening right before the election.
Deep state trying to drive away part of the Trump base?
Existing management at ATF showing Joe they are ready to help out when he wins?

 

[Ggreen]

Helluva coincidence that this is all happening right before the election.
Deep state trying to drive away part of the Trump base?
Existing management at ATF showing Joe they are ready to help out when he wins?

Probably true, but now hands aren't clean. His pick to head the agency was publicly anti 2a and every gun rights group campaigned against him v and he wasn't confirmed. So here we are. I don't see how they think this flip flop is going to play out practically though.

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

d****t why do they try so hard to turn law abiding citizens into criminals!? :middlefingeremoji:

 

[kawtech87]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet is the type of receiver extension the SBa3/a4 use. It's not a proprietary pistol type...... Potential issue?

 

[Ggreen]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet is the type of receiver extension the SBa3/a4 use. It's not a proprietary pistol type...... Potential issue?

It was specifically approved as a pistol brace in that configuration.

 

[1nderbeard]

Don't know about you fellers, but I just registered my first SBR. Process took me about ten minutes and of course $200. From what I hear it takes 3 weeks.

I'm probably gonna buy a shockwave and buy another stamp for a second NFA item.

I've already been on the NFA list for a few years with two supressors, so it's nothing new to me.

 

[jamil]

Helluva coincidence that this is all happening right before the election.
Deep state trying to drive away part of the Trump base?
Existing management at ATF showing Joe they are ready to help out when he wins?

If Trump can order the ATF to redefine machine guns to include bump stocks he can order the ATF to stop the nonsense.

 

[Ggreen]

Don't know about you fellers, but I just registered my first SBR. Process took me about ten minutes and of course $200. From what I hear it takes 3 weeks.

I'm probably gonna buy a shockwave and buy another stamp for a second NFA item.

I've already been on the NFA list for a few years with two supressors, so it's nothing new to me.

That's not the point. You can no longer take those sbr's to nfa ban states where pistols were legal. The guns were sold and transferred legally as pistols and with a pen stroke of a non elected official. people are felons if they don't give up or destroy their property. Millions of pistol braces are in use across the country this could make all of those owners felons like the bumpstock ban did.

Also 200 for the stamp, 20 for pictures, 100+ for engraving, losing 140 on the cost of the brace. If a ban came into effect it is going to cost around 450+ per gun owned for those wishing to keep a usuable configuration. Unacceptable.

 

[Ggreen]

If Trump can order the ATF to redefine machine guns to include bump stocks he can order the ATF to stop the nonsense.

His doj ordered clarification on pistols.

 

[Yup!]

It's not about the $200. It's not about the Stamp. If I had wanted an SBR I would have paid the $200 and purchased the SBR. I purchased the Pistol that the US manufacture legally transferred to the LGS. The LGS legally transferred it to me.

To find out on FB that I'm now breaking the law is the issue for me. If you want to change your position after the fact, you have to accept that what is done has been done. In the mean time I'm going to fight to abolish the ATf and this opinion specifically.

 

[DadSmith]

Its about the NFA and how it infringes on the 2nd Amendment. NFA needs removed!

 

[1nderbeard]

NFA isn't going away without a revolution. Government overreach is going to get worse, not better.

^I'm not calling for revolution, just pointing out that power is impossible to get back once it's been conceded. Just doesn't work that way. Holcomb and all the other state governors have set a dangerous precedent, and we let it happen. Same thing happened with Obama and his pen. We all accepted the notion that a governor/president can write laws without check. We've all granted supreme executive power. That's why elections are so crazy right now.

 

[Ggreen]

NFA isn't going away without a revolution. Government overreach is going to get worse, not better.

Well I mean history repeats itself. A string can only be pulled so taught. But seriously if the million+ brace owners told le to get bent when they show up for confiscation there really isn't anything they could do to enforce a ban.

 

[churchmouse]

NFA isn't going away without a revolution. Government overreach is going to get worse, not better.

^I'm not calling for revolution, just pointing out that power is impossible to get back once it's been conceded. Just doesn't work that way. Holcomb and all the other state governors have set a dangerous precedent, and we let it happen. Same thing happened with Obama and his pen. We all accepted the notion that a governor/president can write laws without check. We've all granted supreme executive power. That's why elections are so crazy right now.

I have been preaching this for as long time now.

 

[Fixer]

You're forgetting all the people who live states that allow pistols, but do not allow nfa. Tax stamps are not the answer

I agree they are not. The whole rules change and arbitrary application is complete BS.

 

[223 Gunner]

How long until we see a bunch of braced pistols up for sale in the classy's?
I'm betting not too long.

 

[Fixer]

An all out ban on braces as pistols might be enough to start a movement against this overreach.

4 Million outlaws! Quickly becoming a time to “Nut up or Shut up”

 

[Ingomike]

NFA isn't going away without a revolution. Government overreach is going to get worse, not better.

^I'm not calling for revolution, just pointing out that power is impossible to get back once it's been conceded. Just doesn't work that way. Holcomb and all the other state governors have set a dangerous precedent, and we let it happen. Same thing happened with Obama and his pen. We all accepted the notion that a governor/president can write laws without check. We've all granted supreme executive power. That's why elections are so crazy right now.

Yes it is! When folks nostalgically look back on other political eras they often fail to remember that government was so much less involved in the daily live of the people...