Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

[foszoe]

I still think your foolish is other peoples brave.

No, I think I grasp it as well as anyone. I started sounding the alarm on insane social justice back in 2014-ish, starting the first insane social justice thread.

More than one thing can be true at the same time. The US and the West in general are under assault by people who want to fundamentally change it; to erase Western principles and replace them with cultural marxism. That's true. The kid did some good and commendable things. That's true. The kid also made some foolish choices. That's true too. I'm not going to avoid calling those things out just because I perceive he's on my side.

 

[foszoe]

So I am a bible thumping, God fearin' Gun Clinger who is also now disingenuous. I am gonna need more patch space on my vest.

I learned there are places i shouldn't go, but I dont know what or where these places are...
I mean, if I'm out driving and turn left one day into a place I shouldn't be, how do I know?
#Sadfacewhendoicarrymypistol?

 

[GIJEW]

"black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again"...no, just spreading. More killing in portland https://www.foxnews.com/us/fatal-portland-shooting-witness-appalled-people-celebrating. In one of his podcasts, Tim Pool mentioned a caravan of blm "activists", heading to the WH siege in DC, getting into a couple confrontations in some small town in PA, one of which ended in a gun fight where a blm member got shot in the face with birdshot.

The free lance journalist in the Fox article said "We need a reset...America needs a reset." "Can we agree to end the violence?" Would be good, but no. antifa/blm have a different reset in mind involving a marxist dystopia and they're pushing the country in a corner with a choice of "kill or be killed"

 

[ditcherman]

This train of thought is exactly why I would buy nothing less than solid limestone block for our home exterior. Aside from windows/doors obviously.

I have plans to brick up the garage doors adding additional rooms. This will also further secure the "more easily penetrable" portion of the home. When do I get a roof turret?

To continue with the “you shouldn’t go anywhere with/without a gun that you wouldn’t/ would go something something words don’t mean things” logic, you shouldn’t live anywhere that you are scared/shouldn’t live without being afraid of being shot/feel like you have to hide during elections.

Or, you could defend what is good, proper, and right before it gets bad in your neighborhood.
Cause ya’ll ain’t all movin out here.


PS a roof turret is always a good idea no matter the conditions.

PPS I could be accused of being ‘that guy’ that travels 20 miles to help defend good, proper etc before it gets to my neighborhood, risking being accused of being ‘that guy’. The real point is, 20 miles is nothing to many people.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

So I am a bible thumping, God fearin' Gun Clinger who is also now disingenuous. I am gonna need more patch space on my vest.

A set of these and sew the patches on your tee shirt....

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[Kutnupe14]

They do defend it.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/black-lives-matter-organizer-calls-chicago-looting-reparation/

And she’s an idiot. Still, instigating a riot takes isn’t something a case can be made based on general words.

 

[Phase2]

Can you show me a specific instance where the BLM organization has told people to riot, loot, or any other call to violence that was acted upon?

Since you aren't a dunce, I just have to consider this statement argumentative and willfully blind. Leftists have generally learned that is is easier to avoid prosecution by not giving direct orders, but instead just pointing in a general direction and let people "decide for themselves" to execute the violence. For example in the words of one "BLM leader":

“I’m at the point where I’m ready to put these police in the f**king grave,” he shouted from Black Lives Matter plaza, adding, “I’m at the point where I want to burn the f**king White House down.”

“I want to take it to the senators. I want to take it to the Congress. I want to take the fight to them,” he continued, to scattered applause and cheers. “And at the end of the day, if they ain’t gonna hear us, we burn them the f**k down.”

“I’m one that talk real sh*t,” he went on, saying that he had traveled from New York to D.C. to make his message heard. “The same way I f**k police up in New York, I f**k cops up here in D.C. The same way I bust police in the head in New York, I bust police in the head in D.C.”

Note that at no point in this screed, did he actually tell others to riot, loot or commit other forms of violence.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

To continue with the “you shouldn’t go anywhere with/without a gun that you wouldn’t/ would go something something words don’t mean things” logic, you shouldn’t live anywhere that you are scared/shouldn’t live without being afraid of being shot/feel like you have to hide during elections.

Or, you could defend what is good, proper, and right before it gets bad in your neighborhood.
Cause ya’ll ain’t all movin out here.


PS a roof turret is always a good idea no matter the conditions.

PPS I could be accused of being ‘that guy’ that travels 20 miles to help defend good, proper etc before it gets to my neighborhood, risking being accused of being ‘that guy’. The real point is, 20 miles is nothing to many people.

I don't go to or live in a place I don't feel safe. Period. Ever. That doesn't mean I don't plan for a change in scenario at any given moment. Be like water.
If trouble should find itself in my presence unwelcome, well there's that time I'm glad I exercise my right to defend myself by whatever means necessary to cancel that threat. This is a universal truth.

It's like this for me:
1. Did Mr. Lifeguard defend himself rightfully & justifiably so? Yes (IMO, which btw means exactly nothing).

2. Did Captain Freedom also insert himself into an already cluster-f****d situation? Also yes.

I'm also not saying there isn't a larger issue present beneath the surface of the situation. This country needs some serious overhaul. But reenacting GI Joe cartoons in an unorganized, grab-asstic fashion is not the approach that will net a happy ending to the episode.

Finally: Being lucky isn't better than being smart.
"Chance favors the prepared mind ". Act accordingly.

 

[BugI02]

I have my own opinions of the shooting in Kenosha but in reading about it one thing jumped out that I find a bit ironic. The first person shot was a convicted sex offender against children, he was shot in the head. The second person shot and killed was a convicted domestic batterer, he was shot in the heart. Third person was a convicted burglar and he was shot in the arm. What jumped out is this, a person who thinks it's okay to have sex with children quite right in their thinking, (shot in the head) The domestic batter had no love for his victims, (shot in the heart) and thief is missing a big part of his arm, (he won't be stealing with that hand for awhile if ever). Coincidence?

Even more apropos, the sex offender was shot three times stitching upward as the barrel rose. The first shot hit him in the groin

 

[marvin02]

Can you show me a specific instance where the BLM organization has told people to riot, loot, or any other call to violence that was acted upon?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1291010/ariel-atkins-black-lives-matter-chicago-looting/

I certainly do not hear the BLM leadership calling for justice for those whose businesses have been burned and looted.

 

[BugI02]

So no comment on the rest of it? Okay. Yes. I can. https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-leader-if-change-doesnt-happen-we-will-burn-down-this-system/ They've been burning it down for months.

I acknowledge that it could be difficult to win in court. But people should keep suing and try to make them pay for the destruction of people, property and society that they're responsible for.

Cue the 'That's not really a BLM leader' version of True Scotsman in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

 

[Phase2]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1291010/ariel-atkins-black-lives-matter-chicago-looting/

I certainly do not hear the BLM leadership calling for justice for those whose businesses have been burned and looted.

You mean she said looting was justified, but didn't explicitly tell anyone to loot? Huh. Who'da thunk?

 

[BugI02]

I learned there are places i shouldn't go, but I dont know what or where these places are...
I mean, if I'm out driving and turn left one day into a place I shouldn't be, how do I know?
#Sadfacewhendoicarrymypistol?

Perhaps consider the Michael Dunn shooting of Jordan Davis at that Jacksonville gas station. Arguably, if unarmed, Mr Dunn would likely not have sought to confront a car with four teenagers over his opinion that they were playing their music too load. Possessing the magic talisman of a strap, Mr Dunn felt the confidence to become the aggressor - a decision that led him into a confrontation in which he killed one occupant of the vehicle and is now doing life w/o parole +90 and has exhausted his appeals

Where Mr Dunn should not have gone armed was over to that car of teenagers to try and impose his wishes on them

 

[Slapstick]

Even more apropos, the sex offender was shot three times stitching upward as the barrel rose. The first shot hit him in the groin

Surrounding a bit little more than just a bizarre coincidence, Divine intervention, karma coming back to bite them in the a**?

 

[BugI02]

And she’s an idiot. Still, instigating a riot takes isn’t something a case can be made based on general words.

Nailed it!

 

[jamil]

I still think your foolish is other peoples brave.

Of course, in the same way that some people's freedom fighters are other people's terrorists. But there is a reality beyond the relativism that contains some truths. If one's reluctance to acknowledge anything critical about their own is based on which side they're on, well. I guess we have to agree to disagree. That kid is in jail now facing some serious charges, which I hope he'll beat. All the institutions are against him. I suppose you can call that either bravery or foolishness, but it's likely fair bet that he wishes now that he'd have sat that one out. Doing something you later regret is reasonably another way of saying you were foolish.

 

[BugI02]

Since you aren't a dunce, I just have to consider this statement argumentative and willfully blind. Leftists have generally learned that is is easier to avoid prosecution by not giving direct orders, but instead just pointing in a general direction and let people "decide for themselves" to execute the violence. For example in the words of one "BLM leader":

Note that at no point in this screed, did he actually tell others to riot, loot or commit other forms of violence.

This^^^^

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest" was not an direct order from Henry II to kill Thomas a Becket, but it might as well have been

Plausible deniability I believe is the concept came to be called

 

[singlestacksig]

You mean she said looting was justified, but didn't explicitly tell anyone to loot? Huh. Who'da thunk?

""What sluggards, what cowards have I brought up in my court, who care nothing for their allegiance to their lord. Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest.""

 

[foszoe]

For me its simple, but I am simple minded. I think we are a country in crisis, getting close to a 1776 moment. In 1776 a lot of people made foolish decisions by todays standards, usually based on reasons like fear of losing jobs, personal security, don't wanna get involved etc so when I see someone break that mold, it's brave to me.

Of course, in the same way that some people's freedom fighters are other people's terrorists. But there is a reality beyond the relativism that contains some truths. If one's reluctance to acknowledge anything critical about their own is based on which side they're on, well. I guess we have to agree to disagree. That kid is in jail now facing some serious charges, which I hope he'll beat. All the institutions are against him. I suppose you can call that either bravery or foolishness, but it's likely fair bet that he wishes now that he'd have sat that one out. Doing something you later regret is reasonably another way of saying you were foolish.

 

[BugI02]

I don't go to or live in a place I don't feel safe. Period. Ever. That doesn't mean I don't plan for a change in scenario at any given moment. Be like water.
If trouble should find itself in my presence unwelcome, well there's that time I'm glad I exercise my right to defend myself by whatever means necessary to cancel that threat. This is a universal truth.

It's like this for me:
1. Did Mr. Lifeguard defend himself rightfully & justifiably so? Yes (IMO, which btw means exactly nothing).

2. Did Captain Freedom also insert himself into an already cluster-f****d situation? Also yes.

I'm also not saying there isn't a larger issue present beneath the surface of the situation. This country needs some serious overhaul. But reenacting GI Joe cartoons in an unorganized, grab-asstic fashion is not the approach that will net a happy ending to the episode.

Finally: Being lucky isn't better than being smart.
"Chance favors the prepared mind ". Act accordingly.

Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch) almost exactly 4 yrs ago

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