Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

[Bill of Rights]

The basic rule of gun safety is to never handle a firearm when intoxicated. You know that.

Apparently Wisconsin statutes make it a punishable Class A misdemeanor.

Well, I’m safe, I don’t drink alcohol at all. I have to agree though, that I’ve never seen a working crystal ball that predicts when one will need his/her gun.

Will a prosecutor who is anti-gun go out of his way to attempt to show irresponsibility on the part of the defender? Without a doubt. My father used to say “it can be very expensive to be right.”

That said, is it your argument that a person loses his right to defend his life and safety, or those of his family, because he has been drinking alcohol-containing beverages?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Alpo]

No. Of course the right of self defense is basic.

But, do it drunk and there could be serious legal consequences. Did the drunkenness contribute to an escalating conflict that might have been avoided if sober? Was the drunk mentally impaired in his assessment of the situation and saw a threat where a sober individual might not? Do the facts support an actual threat of great bodily harm to the man? There are so many possibilities that could come about that might mitigate the "right" to self defense because of intoxication. A prosecutor's field day, if you will.

In this circumstance, there was no immediate threat of entry by the protesters afaik. The man had been arrested on the prior day for disorderly conduct and a threat with a deadly weapon. Within 24 hours, he is apparently drunk again with another deadly weapon in hand. Was it appropriate to separate this man from another deadly weapon?

I think it's reasonable.

 

[jamil]

The basic rule of gun safety is to never handle a firearm when intoxicated. You know that.

Apparently Wisconsin statutes make it a punishable Class A misdemeanor.

Never be intoxicated even at home. You never know when you might need to protect yourself from angry racist democrats.

 

[Alpo]

I find it curious. Any reasonable person who viewed the cop's video of the shoot knows it was a good shoot. Yet, some here defend a drunk gun owner with an apparent series of "problems" to the nth degree.

Stupid exists on both sides of the argument. I attempt to never align with morons.

 

[jamil]

I find it curious. Any reasonable person who viewed the cop's video of the shoot knows it was a good shoot. Yet, some here defend a drunk gun owner with an apparent series of "problems" to the nth degree.

Stupid exists on both sides of the argument. I attempt to never align with morons.

More than one thing can be true at the same time. People have a right to defend themselves. One should have a reasonable expectation that one’s own home should be safe enough to be intoxicated, without needing a firearm to defend oneself. But if such trouble should arise, being intoxicated should not prohibit self protection. But, being intoxicated will impede judgement. So if you bring firearms into the context you better be right, and when you’re intoxicated there’s a good chance you’ll judge wrongly.

I look at it this way. If it would be reasonable for a sober person to fear for his life and bring the firearm into the event, it’s reasonable even if drunk. He never pointed it at anyone in any of the videos I saw. So what about you? Let’s say you’re completely sober and an angry mob is outside harassing you. I’d call the police. And I’d have a firearm at the ready. I would not position myself in the window though. That’s ****ing creepy as hell.

 

[jamil]

Really that case goes to show you that you should own a bullhorn. You get a an angry crowd like that you have to heckle them.

Start talking about the way they’re dressed. Insult their manhood. Say a bunch of “yo mama” jokes.

Ooh. Here’s a good one. Correct their grammar when they chant stuff.

Maybe start reciting the preamble to the constitution. Sing the star spangled banner off key.

If you want to put them to sleep, start reading Atlas Shrugged over the bullhorn.

 

[larcat]

Is it a violation of the 8th if a citizen does it rather than court ordered?

If you want to put them to sleep, start reading Atlas Shrugged over the bullhorn.

 

[Alpo]

Really that case goes to show you that you should own a bullhorn. You get a an angry crowd like that you have to heckle them.

Start talking about the way they’re dressed. Insult their manhood. Say a bunch of “yo mama” jokes.

Ooh. Here’s a good one. Correct their grammar when they chant stuff.

Maybe start reciting the preamble to the constitution. Sing the star spangled banner off key.

If you want to put them to sleep, start reading Atlas Shrugged over the bullhorn.

I can pull out my Fender Amp and give them a rendition of Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner.

 

[foszoe]

While I hate to be Mr. Obvious, you will need to plug in a guitar first to do it justice.

I can pull out my Fender Amp and give them a rendition of Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner.

 

[Alpo]

Some people understood the context already, Foz. But, I'll make sure I mansplain it for you next time.

 

[foszoe]

At least I didn't reference plugging in the amp to the wall after first checking with your multimeter that the voltage/frequency were in the proper range!

Some people understood the context already, Foz. But, I'll make sure I mansplain it for you next time.

 

[KLB]

While I hate to be Mr. Obvious, you will need to plug in a guitar first to do it justice.

Dad joke alert.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

I'm half Jewish blood (Christian by faith) but I wonder if there would be a big stink if was was killed.. rhetorical question.. no need to answer, I already know there wouldnt.. it would probably be celebrated as just another dead jew

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[JettaKnight]

The basic rule of gun safety is to never handle a firearm when intoxicated. You know that.

Apparently Wisconsin statutes make it a punishable Class A misdemeanor.

Which is why I leave mine at home. There's always at least a modicum of alcohol (and cheese curds) in my bloodstream when I'm in WI.

 

[Alpo]

Cheese curds in your bloodstream......I'm not a doctor, but I think that isn't good.

 

[Leadeye]

Well, I’m safe, I don’t drink alcohol at all. I have to agree though, that I’ve never seen a working crystal ball that predicts when one will need his/her gun.

Will a prosecutor who is anti-gun go out of his way to attempt to show irresponsibility on the part of the defender? Without a doubt. My father used to say “it can be very expensive to be right.”

That said, is it your argument that a person loses his right to defend his life and safety, or those of his family, because he has been drinking alcohol-containing beverages?

Blessings,
Bill

Your father was a wise man.

 

[BugI02]

The basic rule of gun safety is to never handle a firearm when intoxicated. You know that.

Apparently Wisconsin statutes make it a punishable Class A misdemeanor.

It reeks of selective prosecution. The moron with the bullhorn in the video was alluding to the fact that the mob was armed, which of course cannot be seen in the video clips I've seen because they are focused on the homeowner. One wonders if intimidation is breaking the law in WI

Also your laddlaw cite has this to say:

In addition to prohibited locations, possessing a weapon in various circumstances can lead to weapons charges. For example, a person carrying a firearm can be charged with endangering safety by use of a dangerous weapon when operating or carrying a firearm while he or she is under the influence of an intoxicant or has a detectable controlled substance in their blood.

Is leaf a controlled substance in WI? One wonder's how INGO would react (or progressives, for that matter) if he was charged due to being 'intoxicated' with Mary Jane

 

[BugI02]

Which is why I leave mine at home. There's always at least a modicum of alcohol (and cheese curds) in my bloodstream when I'm in WI.

Uhhh, that sludge in the bottom of your blood donation is cholesterol, not cheese curds

 

[jamil]

Is it a violation of the 8th if a citizen does it rather than court ordered?

No.

 

[jamil]

I can pull out my Fender Amp and give them a rendition of Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner.

That's acceptable.