Amazon workers just voted to join a union

[Creedmoor]

Now that you know what I do, what union are you in.
I have to ask because some on here seem to think that if you are not in the union you have no skills and that you will work unsafely.
I guess if you buy a union card all of a sudden you no longer do unsafe **** and your IQ level jumps 65 points.

All of our people go through a 30 hour OSHA which is more than most union contractors can say.
As far as training many are ex union and many are in their 40s with a lot of on the job previous experience.

You knowledge of Unions is lacking, Trade Unions have 5 year Journeymen schools,
Along with constant schooling along the way through your career.
All the building trade union jobs that I know keep a 40 hour hazwopper valid.
Nobody here has said anything about non union being unsafe here except you my friend.
Funny you admited many employees being trained by those evil Unions.
LOL
And to be able to buy a Union card??? Your reaching now.
Which card is that please? And how does one do that?
Snap card?
Quarter card?
Probie card?
Helper card?
WIC card?
Mechanics card?
Learners card?

I carry a withdrawn/retirement card

 

[Creedmoor]

Do bow ties count?

No, that gets a fist bump.
A double bump if its made from crush velvet.
A Bolo worn correctly and I pay the bar bill.

 

[Indyhd]

You knowledge of Unions is lacking, Trade Unions have 5 year Journeymen schools,
Along with constant schooling along the way through your career.
All the building trade union jobs that I know keep a 40 hour hazwopper valid.
Nobody here has said anything about non union being unsafe here except you my friend.
Funny you admited many employees being trained by those evil Unions.
LOL
And to be able to buy a Union card??? Your reaching now.
Which card is that please? And how does one do that?
Snap card?
Quarter card?
Probie card?
Helper card?
WIC card?
Mechanics card?
Learners card?

I carry a withdrawn/retirement card

You may have taken 5 years to get through your program which you didn't bother to answer my question about, but all the construction trades are 4 years.
Yes, when work was good back in the 70s construction trades were selling journeymen's cards in NW Indiana.
If you knew the person to talk to you could be a union carpenter for $400.
Part of the reason I left due to guys making scale who didn't know which end of the hammer to hold.

Again I ask, what union card did you take your withdrawl card from ?
And nowhere did I say unions were evil.
If it weren't for the unions, non union companies wouldn't be paying what they are or providing the benefits they do.

Every union is going to be different. In the construction trade unions if you get accepted in the union then you get a job. Some unions you get a job, then you join the union. Those are two different courses of becoming a union member.

 

[Indyhd]

You knowledge of Unions is lacking, Trade Unions have 5 year Journeymen schools,
Along with constant schooling along the way through your career.
All the building trade union jobs that I know keep a 40 hour hazwopper valid.
Nobody here has said anything about non union being unsafe here except you my friend.
Funny you admited many employees being trained by those evil Unions.
LOL
And to be able to buy a Union card??? Your reaching now.
Which card is that please? And how does one do that?
Snap card?
Quarter card?
Probie card?
Helper card?
WIC card?
Mechanics card?
Learners card?

I carry a withdrawn/retirement card

 

[actaeon277]

A 'noob' coworker brought by one of my hard hats the other day.
The one I had on my head the longest.

It's missing the harness, because I had to rob it when I couldn't get one for the hard hat they made me replace it with.
I thought about buying a harness on Amazon, but when am I going to need it?

 

[Indyhd]

As far as the safety issue look back at posts from 42 to about 60 to see the discussion that if Jaybird hadn't been in the union he would have been forced to do things that could or would have gotten him killed.

I'm glad your union experience, whatever it was, was good for you.
Mine was wasn't.

I run work and have been for over 35 years, some of my subcontractor are union and some are not. Some of the individuals of both union and non are great guys, some are asshats.

 

[bwframe]

Not all.

But because a union wouldn't be good where you work, doesn't mean unions are useless all over.

Please just point me to the post that speaks of the good management in the union factory. I must have missed it?

Pretty sure I never said a word about a union being good or not where I work?

I did spend a lot of years in restaurant management though. According to some, that's a disqualifier for managing other industry?


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[Creedmoor]

You may have taken 5 years to get through your program which you didn't bother to answer my question about, but all the construction trades are 4 years.
Yes, when work was good back in the 70s construction trades were selling journeymen's cards in NW Indiana.
If you knew the person to talk to you could be a union carpenter for $400.
Part of the reason I left due to guys making scale who didn't know which end of the hammer to hold.

Again I ask, what union card did you take your withdrawl card from ?
And nowhere did I say unions were evil.
If it weren't for the unions, non union companies wouldn't be paying what they are or providing the benefits they do.

Every union is going to be different. In the construction trade unions if you get accepted in the union then you get a job. Some unions you get a job, then you join the union. Those are two different courses of becoming a union member.

Im so glad you have explained to me how all this Union stuff works.
So Union cards were sold 50 years ago to be a Union Carpenter in N Indiana? 50 years ago. lol. Thats so 50 years ago.
I bought my mechanics card like those carpenters up north.. No need to waste all those years in school.
The person that gets one employment is called a Business Agent for the Local one works through.
I was employed through a Business Agent.
The difference between the two ways one gets a Union job is who you actually work for. Your either a Company Union worker, like most GM's auto workers or you are a Union Associate like I was. The company you work for pays you and also sends a monthly check to your International Union Benefits Office.

Different trades are 4-5 years to be able to sit for your test. And dont forget doing ones probationary time before one education really starts.
That can be six months to a year plus to be brought into the Local and then start school.

You want to see my withdraw/retirment card?
Heres how that show me your valid Union card thing works.
Show me yours first, and I will gladly show you mine.
One would have thought with all that Union Knowledge you would know that simple fact.
Are we done yet?

 

[actaeon277]

Please just point me to the post that speaks of the good management in the union factory. I must have missed it?

Pretty sure I never said a word about a union being good or not where I work?

I did spend a lot of years in restaurant/bar management though. According to some, that's a disqualifier for managing other industry?


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Why would I point out good management.
I don't need a union to protect me from good management.

I need it to protect me from the manager that tells me to work under a suspended load, or he'll give me 5 days off, even though the company rule is that if you work under a suspended load you will get fired.

Or the rule that says I need to wear a steel coat when working near the steel.
But the next rule says that you can't wear steel when working on energized gear.



I had a decent mid manager, that stopped 2 new managers from starting the paperwork to fire me.
Because I had an OPTION to work 16 hours/week overtime, and I said NO to the option.
To them, that was a fireable offense.
I did NOT need the union then.

 

[Rookie]

Or the manager who tells you to use a damaged chain to lift a 20,000 pound load or you'll be fired for stopping production. Or the manager who tells you to move a 50 ton die, knowing that the brakes on the overhead crane are inoperable, or you'll be fired for stopping production...

 

[Creedmoor]

A 'noob' coworker brought by one of my hard hats the other day.
The one I had on my head the longest.

It's missing the harness, because I had to rob it when I couldn't get one for the hard hat they made me replace it with.
I thought about buying a harness on Amazon, but when am I going to need it?

I could send you an American Bridge brown fiberglass round hardhat but,
My kid thinks they are cool and he liberated them for his room.

 

[Creedmoor]

Or the manager who tells you to use a damaged chain to lift a 20,000 pound load or you'll be fired for stopping production. Or the manager who tells you to move a 50 ton die, knowing that the brakes on the overhead crane are inoperable, or you'll be fired for stopping production...

Man, we have all been in that situation. To many times.

 

[Ziggidy]

Some years back I worked for Andy Frain in the city of Chicago. I did a few trade shows - they're fun - or at least they were back then.

I was at house wares show and I was around for the set up and tear down. I was walking through one of the show areas at McCormick Place and a rep was setting up. We were talking and we needed something plugged in do I reached over and about to plug it in and I got my backside chewed out. Why, I was just plugging an out let in the socket. There seemed to be a bunch of union workers named Karen who looked for these kinds of opportunity. They needed to show some work on the paperwork so they did not allow anyone to plug anything in. After he plugged it in, he went back and sat on his arse.

I again experience the same crap years later when my medical company was setting up in Rosemont. Same BS, cannot plug anything in. Cannot put rugs down...can't do didley without the union Karens bitching.

The cost of having these union karens available to do the work of a child was very expensive.

My experience with the union is not good. They had a purpose at a time and then they became power hungry and politically powerful. Unions are just an outreach of the Socialist party.

I worked in a steel forging plant when I was young, non union, and I made a ton of money. No one needed the usion and no one wanted the union because they knew the reality. The unions are a base for power. People give up their money, their freedom and their political voice when they join the union. Then after some time with a union, they cannot live without the union because the know they cannot do the work of non-union people; IOW, unions protect those who should not be protected.

Just look at the teachers union......nuf said!

 

[Ingomike]

So you've spent time as a die setter, mold maintenance, mold repair, tool and die in a stamping plant?

Your reading comprehension needs a boost. I was referring to the pool of potential candidates as having too much.

And, while none of your business, yes , I have worked in a tool shop…

 

[Creedmoor]

Your reading comprehension needs a boost. I was referring to the pool of potential candidates as having too much.

And, while none of your business, yes , I have worked in a tool shop…

Irony perhaps. I said in a Stamping Plant, a tool shop isn't a Stamping Plant.

 

[Indyhd]

Ziggity and Mike,

You two need to quit posting here because you two obviously know nothing about a union.
That's obvious to at least one person here.

 

[Creedmoor]

Ziggity and Mike,

You two need to quit posting here because you two obviously know nothing about a union.
That's obvious to at least one person here.

You need to Google some more.

 

[Creedmoor]

Ziggity and Mike,

You two need to quit posting here because you two obviously know nothing about a union.
That's obvious to at least one person here.

They know about as little as you do.

 

[Ingomike]

According to the union commentary this thread, all business management is terrible. The new union at Amazon must believe the same thing?

What should the new Amazon union do to start the takeover of that company, the same way as your union?


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And others are accused of arrogance…

 

[ghuns]

I was walking through one of the show areas at McCormick Place and a rep was setting up. We were talking and we needed something plugged in do I reached over and about to plug it in and I got my backside chewed out. Why, I was just plugging an out let in the socket...

Shows there are the worst.

We bought a machine from German company that was used at IMTS in McCormick Place. They want a demo machine in the show, and of course, they don't want to take it back to Germany so we got a great deal.

Seeing what they go through to set up and tear down their booth was ridiculous. They literally bring a backpack full of cash with them to 'expedite' the process with all the various unions.