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  • loudgroove

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    For the same reasons people think we need more laws.

    More rules/laws are GREAT. It helps maintain order and keeps the riffraff under control.

    UNTIL the rules get weaponized against them. Like speed cameras. They're great! Until you get your citation in the mail.
    I'm not judging, but I would never live in one myself. What I do on and to my property is my business. If I want to paint my house a different color, I will not pay someone money to either tell me no or tell me what colors I can paint it. Even the Amish in this area have gotten away from stuff like that.
     

    Cameramonkey

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    I'm not judging, but I would never live in one myself. What I do on and to my property is my business. If I want to paint my house a different color, I will not pay someone money to either tell me no or tell me what colors I can paint it. Even the Amish in this area have gotten away from stuff like that.
    Same. My only beef with them is them complaining about what they signed up for.

    Sure my old half of the hood without the HOA is annoying with cars in the street, etc. But nobody is telling me I have to spend $400 for the EXACT mailbox and post when some drunk runs mine over, or that my carriage light is daylight instead of warm white, etc.
     

    loudgroove

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    Same. My only beef with them is them complaining about what they signed up for.

    Sure my old half of the hood without the HOA is annoying with cars in the street, etc. But nobody is telling me I have to spend $400 for the EXACT mailbox and post when some drunk runs mine over, or that my carriage light is daylight instead of warm white, etc.
    I feel very fortunate. My neighbors and me all communicate very well, They have never had a problem with anything I wanted to do, and I never had a problem with them, other than the meth head ex stripper across the street wanting to party with us. lol especially after my ol lady saw her chasing her cat only wearing a robe and not trying to stay covered.
     

    TheGrumpyGuy

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    I feel very fortunate. My neighbors and me all communicate very well, They have never had a problem with anything I wanted to do, and I never had a problem with them, other than the meth head ex stripper across the street wanting to party with us. lol especially after my ol lady saw her chasing her cat only wearing a robe and not trying to stay covered.
    Is she single?
     

    JimmyC1924

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    Not all choices are obtainable though. Sometimes we have to suffer through what we do not like because we literally don't have other options.

    Most starter homes only exist within an HOA. So there isn't really a choice there.
    Most, maybe I'm not experienced in the field but at least in indiana I don't most starter homes have hoa's, heck even mid-upper class homes don't have hoa's here thats more big city or democratic states things, in my opinion.
     

    Ingomike

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    I don't understand why someone would want to live in an HOA, but it’s a free country so to each his own.
    Because of the bad humans can and will do. The constitution gave the people the right to create government while also removing that government when it became oppressive. The laws also give property owners the right to create a self governing system of covenants, restrictions, and an HOA to maintain them while also requiring mechanisms to change or abolish them.

    I find it interesting that many of the most vocal opponents of HOA’s live in the country on land. Living on .17 acres with 15 feet between houses is a different would.

    If it was me that received this letter, I would have to respond by asking them if getting bent was against their community standards, and if it was to "stay off my lawn!" lol
    This is not an HOA issue in any way. Let’s look at the letter that was sent, if it was real. (I used pic to text so may not be precise.)

    Subject: Noise Complaint Regarding Generator Usage During Recent Power Outage


    Dear Non-HOA Homeowner,


    We are writing in response to several complaints received from HOA members regarding the recent power outage that affected the entire town. While we understand the challenges of a blackout, your actions during this time have raised concerns among the community.


    During the outage, you ublized a gas-powered backup generator to restore power to your home.


    While backup generators are not prohibited, the following issues were raised.


    1. Excessive Noise: Multiple HOA members reported that your generator was loud and disruptive, causing undue disturbance throughout the neighborhood. Such noise during an already stressful situation aggravated the discomfort for those without power.


    2. Perceived Unfairness: Several HOA members were frustrated by the fact that while the rest of the community was without power, you were seen watching the game on your tv.


    • Consider a Quleter Alternative

    Be mindful of neighbors.


    We hope this letter serves as a reminder to maintain community hammony, even during challenging situations. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us
    .


    To me this letter was informing the property owner of the complaints received by the HOA from members while and asking for consideration while acknowledging they had no legal right to stop the use. It certainly does not seem overreach to send a third party a letter noting the complaints received. INGO told me that was an appropriate way to resolve issues between neighbors.

    I own several generators and get both sides. I get it that neighbors likely are hot in a power outage, maybe trying to get a baby to sleep, and they have their windows open desperately trying to get a breeze while the neighbor has a 90db generator running all night with an additional 70db from the AC unit, while they have every right, can be seen watching TV while all the neighbors suffering.
     

    10mm

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    Because of the bad humans can and will do. The constitution gave the people the right to create government while also removing that government when it became oppressive. The laws also give property owners the right to create a self governing system of covenants, restrictions, and an HOA to maintain them while also requiring mechanisms to change or abolish them.

    I find it interesting that many of the most vocal opponents of HOA’s live in the country on land. Living on .17 acres with 15 feet between houses is a different would.


    This is not an HOA issue in any way. Let’s look at the letter that was sent, if it was real. (I used pic to text so may not be precise.)

    Subject: Noise Complaint Regarding Generator Usage During Recent Power Outage


    Dear Non-HOA Homeowner,


    We are writing in response to several complaints received from HOA members regarding the recent power outage that affected the entire town. While we understand the challenges of a blackout, your actions during this time have raised concerns among the community.


    During the outage, you ublized a gas-powered backup generator to restore power to your home.


    While backup generators are not prohibited, the following issues were raised.


    1. Excessive Noise: Multiple HOA members reported that your generator was loud and disruptive, causing undue disturbance throughout the neighborhood. Such noise during an already stressful situation aggravated the discomfort for those without power.


    2. Perceived Unfairness: Several HOA members were frustrated by the fact that while the rest of the community was without power, you were seen watching the game on your tv.


    • Consider a Quleter Alternative

    Be mindful of neighbors.


    We hope this letter serves as a reminder to maintain community hammony, even during challenging situations. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us
    .


    To me this letter was informing the property owner of the complaints received by the HOA from members while and asking for consideration while acknowledging they had no legal right to stop the use. It certainly does not seem overreach to send a third party a letter noting the complaints received. INGO told me that was an appropriate way to resolve issues between neighbors.

    I own several generators and get both sides. I get it that neighbors likely are hot in a power outage, maybe trying to get a baby to sleep, and they have their windows open desperately trying to get a breeze while the neighbor has a 90db generator running all night with an additional 70db from the AC unit, while they have every right, can be seen watching TV while all the neighbors suffering.

    Philosophically speaking, being upset about being a "have not" is a you problem. No amount of keeping up with the jones' will give people like that satisfaction since they can't or won't derive happiness internally.

    The only legitimate reason you should look at someone else's plate is to make sure they have enough. Just my :twocents:. Opinions and anuses etc etc.
     

    Creedmoor

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    No. She looks 30 from a distance but up close you can tell she is 65 plus with died black hair. At first I just thought he was a dirty old man for keeping a young girl around till I saw her up close and realized they were about the same age.
    It's a hard life on the pole, even harder when your delegated to day shift.
     

    Ingomike

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    Philosophically speaking, being upset about being a "have not" is a you problem. No amount of keeping up with the jones' will give people like that satisfaction since they can't or won't derive happiness internally.

    The only legitimate reason you should look at someone else's plate is to make sure they have enough. Just my :twocents:. Opinions and anuses etc etc.
    100%! This is right! Most folks probably assumed the complaints were from entitled a-holes, what if neighbors complaining were in need of power for c-pac machines or other medical devices and the generator user was the one not looking “at someone else's plate is to make sure they have enough”?
     

    jkaetz

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    This is not an HOA issue in any way. Let’s look at the letter that was sent, if it was real. (I used pic to text so may not be precise.)

    Subject: Noise Complaint Regarding Generator Usage During Recent Power Outage


    Dear Non-HOA Homeowner,


    We are writing in response to several complaints received from HOA members regarding the recent power outage that affected the entire town. While we understand the challenges of a blackout, your actions during this time have raised concerns among the community.


    During the outage, you ublized a gas-powered backup generator to restore power to your home.


    While backup generators are not prohibited, the following issues were raised.


    1. Excessive Noise: Multiple HOA members reported that your generator was loud and disruptive, causing undue disturbance throughout the neighborhood. Such noise during an already stressful situation aggravated the discomfort for those without power.


    2. Perceived Unfairness: Several HOA members were frustrated by the fact that while the rest of the community was without power, you were seen watching the game on your tv.


    • Consider a Quleter Alternative

    Be mindful of neighbors.


    We hope this letter serves as a reminder to maintain community hammony, even during challenging situations. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us
    .


    To me this letter was informing the property owner of the complaints received by the HOA from members while and asking for consideration while acknowledging they had no legal right to stop the use. It certainly does not seem overreach to send a third party a letter noting the complaints received. INGO told me that was an appropriate way to resolve issues between neighbors.

    I own several generators and get both sides. I get it that neighbors likely are hot in a power outage, maybe trying to get a baby to sleep, and they have their windows open desperately trying to get a breeze while the neighbor has a 90db generator running all night with an additional 70db from the AC unit, while they have every right, can be seen watching TV while all the neighbors suffering.
    This is a waste of paper. It's my six year olds complaining that the three year old has something and they do not. The prepared person does not need to be considerate of those that were not prepared. They can choose to offer assistance if they want to but certainly shouldn't be required and shouldn't be sent letters asking them to consider other alternatives. The entire point of a backup generator is to account for the very situation they were in. Unless they are piping the exhaust from the generate into the neighbor's house they have no standing.
     

    Ingomike

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    This is a waste of paper. It's my six year olds complaining that the three year old has something and they do not. The prepared person does not need to be considerate of those that were not prepared. They can choose to offer assistance if they want to but certainly shouldn't be required and shouldn't be sent letters asking them to consider other alternatives. The entire point of a backup generator is to account for the very situation they were in. Unless they are piping the exhaust from the generate into the neighbor's house they have no standing.
    We do not know the particulars of this situation. What if the generator is literally less than 20 feet from the neighbors bedroom window. Many are. Is the CO going in their house? Your house? You don’t think the noise issues are a real?
     

    jkaetz

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    We do not know the particulars of this situation. What if the generator is literally less than 20 feet from the neighbors bedroom window. Many are. Is the CO going in their house? Your house? You don’t think the noise issues are a real?
    20' is plenty of space to mitigate any CO, even 6' should do it. It's not a megawatt diesel generator, CO is going to be minimal. Noise is certainly an issue for everyone involved. But it's a smaller issue than the power outage. Personally I'd be seeing if I could borrow some of the neighbor's electricity to power refrigerators instead of pouting that I don't have a generator or that theirs is too loud. Even if they said no I'm not going to complain about what they have and I don't.
     

    klausm

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    No. She looks 30 from a distance but up close you can tell she is 65 plus with died black hair. At first I just thought he was a dirty old man for keeping a young girl around till I saw her up close and realized they were about the same age.
    talk about a commute! how close is the nearest strip club from LaGrange?
     

    Leo

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    HOA's change over time. Ours was pretty good and simple since the '90's when our addition was started. In any given year three or four people handled that legitimate business efficiently and quietly. I served three times.

    Then we got a crazy lady that was not really voted in, but no one ran against her. She got the ear of several more crazy people to join also unopposed. They fired the retained property rights lawyer and hired a cut throat HOA "specialist" out of Indy. Then the crazies used the lawyer like a badge to bully people. The HOA has spent more on legal fees in two years than from 1993 til 2021. These miserable bully women continue to look for problems.

    For example, 35 years ago there were still 250 empty lots, so there was language for an Architectural committee to approve the house plans. The criteria was square footage, property setbacks, building materials, driveways and garages. Single family only. That committee was shut down after the last lot was built. Now the crazy ladies have the committee back and think they have a legal right to force people to change the color of their trim, remove existing bushes and plant a different species. They want to fine people for weeds in their lawns. They are trying to force people to put up holiday decorations. The law firm is so dishonest they filed against an old man down the road who had some mildew on the shaded part of his siding. He was served papers on Dec 27th and was given until the first of the year to power wash his house. He had to pay another lawyer to represent him against that insanity.


    Our HOA covenants were good for a long time as long as honest, reasonable men were in charge. Just like the US Constitution, when it is in the hands of dishonest, immoral people, it can no longer offer the protection to the citizens as originally intended.
     

    Ingomike

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    HOA's change over time. Ours was pretty good and simple since the '90's when our addition was started. In any given year three or four people handled that legitimate business efficiently and quietly. I served three times.

    Then we got a crazy lady that was not really voted in, but no one ran against her. She got the ear of several more crazy people to join also unopposed. They fired the retained property rights lawyer and hired a cut throat HOA "specialist" out of Indy. Then the crazies used the lawyer like a badge to bully people. The HOA has spent more on legal fees in two years than from 1993 til 2021. These miserable bully women continue to look for problems.

    For example, 35 years ago there were still 250 empty lots, so there was language for an Architectural committee to approve the house plans. The criteria was square footage, property setbacks, building materials, driveways and garages. Single family only. That committee was shut down after the last lot was built. Now the crazy ladies have the committee back and think they have a legal right to force people to change the color of their trim, remove existing bushes and plant a different species. They want to fine people for weeds in their lawns. They are trying to force people to put up holiday decorations. The law firm is so dishonest they filed against an old man down the road who had some mildew on the shaded part of his siding. He was served papers on Dec 27th and was given until the first of the year to power wash his house. He had to pay another lawyer to represent him against that insanity.


    Our HOA covenants were good for a long time as long as honest, reasonable men were in charge. Just like the US Constitution, when it is in the hands of dishonest, immoral people, it can no longer offer the protection to the citizens as originally intended.
    Are their actions opposed by a super majority? Simple majority? What do the covenants say? If a super majority oppose their actions get proxies from a super majority and send them on their way and put in sane folks the next election.

    This often does occur when the good, honest, reasonable men decide to put it on autopilot and leave the door ajar for crazies to get in. Better the honest, reasonable men stay in control, and if one crazy does get on the board they quickly get them off and mitigate their damage than let them take over because they were too busy.
     
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