Why Obama is going to get 4 more years.

[Carmelbythecorn]

Our voter turnout rate is 48%. It was trumpeted in the press as "unprecedented" when it approached 60% in the 2008 election, largely fueled by Obama hype (which is now gone, by the way -- the left is largely out of the honeymoon period with him).

Sure, there's more in that statistic than just a simple number, but even if the actual number is 10 points higher, it doesn't do anything to recommend the quality of our candidates or the perception of government's importance in the average voter's life.

You may be right....OR...(and I hope I'm wrong about this) it may be the sheer stupidity of 'The People' (and the result of government education)...OR...perhaps the obvious (and deleterious) effect of "bread and circuses;" distracting the sheeple from their Constitutional duty. (Do people even speak about "duty" any more or is it only about "my rights?")

 

[J_Wales]

In states that don't have voter ID laws this can happen :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GqMVxeZhflI#!

So unless you are willing to cheat more than the obummer supporters are willing to we're gonna have 4 more.
I still find myself wondering how he got elected in the first place, mind boggling.

You mean in states like Minnesota? Where Al Franken "won" the election to the Senate after "additional boxes filled with ballots were discovered and counted?"

Wow.... that's some conspiracy theory.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

I still find myself wondering how he got elected in the first place, mind boggling.

It is actually quite simple:

1) The incumbent president was George W. Bush, and between himself and other key members of his administration the Republican party was in a bad political position in the eyes of independent voters.

2) His big ticket opponents were McCain/Palin....

 

[Cerberus]

3% is a bit misleading. Approximately 40% of the colonists supported the rebellion. 20% remained loyal to England. The rest just wanted to be left alone.

Care to share with me the source of this? I've never been able to find anything more than 30% popular support for the rebellion.

In fact most of the folks I know that study the era say it was around 25%.

 

[Bunnykid68]

FLETCH for President.

Romney will win so that the SCOTUS can remain in its current balance. The government is smart enough to know that the time is not right to try and up end the 2nd Amendment at this time. They will continue to erode our freedoms an inch at a time while we eat our bacon and drink our kool-aid

 

[Ted]

Fixed that for you.

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."
"Friendship is but another name for an alliance with the follies and the misfortunes of others. Our own share of miseries is sufficient: why enter then as volunteers into those of another?"
-Thomas Jefferson

"[SIZE=-1]It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world."
"[/SIZE]The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."
-George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796

Seems they agreed?

You fixed nothing.

(Source)...Weakened in the national balance, Jefferson also suffered in terms of international diplomacy. As his second administration progressed, he took an increasingly insular stance on economic and political questions. Wishing to avoid the complicated alliances of a Europe at war with itself, Jefferson resolved to remain neutral in order to maintain American shipping interests. In truth, the United States was aligned to degrees with both Britain and France, the former as a result of limited treaties by John Jay and thereafter by James Monroe, and the latter by Jeffersons continuing affection for the French....

(Source) ...Secretary of State (ETA under President George Washington) Thomas Jefferson became the leader of the pro-French Democratic-Republican party that celebrated the republican ideals of the French Revolution.

The seat of this country was then, like now, where words and actions in matters of politics are usually two different things.

 

[IndyDave1776]

So, in other words, kinda like kissing your sister...

I would say that it is more like getting bit by your sister.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Care to share with me the source of this? I've never been able to find anything more than 30% popular support for the rebellion.

In fact most of the folks I know that study the era say it was around 25%.

Ben Franklin divided supporters, loyalists, and those indifferent into even thirds. I would consider him as good an authority as anyone on the subject.

 

[henktermaat]

I'll admit - last time I voted for the lesser of two evils. That didn't work!

This time, I'll vote for my cat, or Ron Paul. I'm not sure who would be better yet.

Captain Whiskers is a highly decorated, scarred veteran who hasn't spent a dime in his life. I also trust him to keep secrets he hears.

 

[Ted]

Ben Franklin divided supporters, loyalists, and those indifferent into even thirds. I would consider him as good an authority as anyone on the subject.

Sampling, Normal Distribution, Standard Deviation, etc. were yet to be fully implemented during that time for the subject.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I find myself revisiting the simple truth that protecting the stupid from themselves is a fool's errand. We have been doing this for a few generations now and the results speak for themselves. Marx correctly observed that a democracy will fail at the point that the people realize they can vote themselves public money. Now that we for several decades have had the difference between a republic and a democracy blurred in tandem with flagrantly ignoring the Constitution, we are facing down the danger of this very problem, and the viable solutions seem few. One of two things will happen--we will have the nation restored to the hands of people who actually do things or into the hands of decidedly non-benevolent masters, which is generally the result of a great civilization dying of corruption. In any event, we are seeing the end results approaching of allowing ourselves to be dominated by those who worship Darwinism but refuse to let it run its course particularly in terms of cleansing society of 'useful idiots'.

 

[J_Wales]

I find myself revisiting the simple truth that protecting the stupid from themselves is a fool's errand. We have been doing this for a few generations now and the results speak for themselves. Marx correctly observed that a democracy will fail at the point that the people realize they can vote themselves public money. Now that we for several decades have had the difference between a republic and a democracy blurred in tandem with flagrantly ignoring the Constitution, we are facing down the danger of this very problem, and the viable solutions seem few. One of two things will happen--we will have the nation restored to the hands of people who actually do things or into the hands of decidedly non-benevolent masters, which is generally the result of a great civilization dying of corruption. In any event, we are seeing the end results approaching of allowing ourselves to be dominated by those who worship Darwinism but refuse to let it run its course particularly in terms of cleansing society of 'useful idiots'.

There is always secession.

It may be Liberty's last refuge.

 

[Adamz04]

Both romney and fearless leader are statist pigs.

Absent a miracle or a great awakening, we are in for four more years of statist rule regardless of the election results.

When you choose the lesser of two evils, remember that it is still an evil.

while i agree with this, at least romney doesnt despise this country and the way it was founded. He may be another big government guy but at least he knows how to manage money.
I dont think the country makes it out alive of another 4 years when obama has nothing to lose.

 

[Ted]

There is always secession.

It may be Liberty's last refuge.

A repeat on a wider scale, of the Battle of Athens (Tennessee), would likely be a better alternative.

 

[.45 Dave]

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Don't mistake my posts as any sort of endorsement of Obama or his agenda. I just don't see the point of calling the speck out of someone else's eye when you may very well have a log in your own.

If the republicans lose this November, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Not me, not libertarians, non voters or lunar beings. If your business model for a restaurant is telling potential customers that your food doesn't suck as bad your competitions', don't expect to fare well.

The republicans no longer offer anything to me (not in a monetary sense but in a liberty sense) so I no longer offer my vote to them.

I certainly respect your position concerning the Republicans and much of it I agree with. But as far as your food analogy goes, there are only two restaurants in town that serve anything. I'll take the one that sucks less in that case.

I truly wish there was viable 3rd party whose agenda I could agree with to challenge the other two, but there isn't. Even the Libertarians only get 2 to 3% of the vote if they run a decent candidate. Perhaps if all the minor parties could stop squabbling and pool their resources for one candidate they might draw enough people like you and me to mount a challenge. But they don't. Thus, we're stuck with the two restaurants serving crap and told to like it.

Until people realize that power originates WITH the people and it is only LOANED to the government on the condition that it be exercised FOR the people in accordance with the people's wishes, we will be served the same swill by both restaurants.
I'll have mine without the blatant arrogant socialism, please.
Pass the salt.

 

[rambone]

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

I certainly respect your position concerning the Republicans and much of it I agree with. But as far as your food analogy goes, there are only two restaurants in town that serve anything. I'll take the one that sucks less in that case.

I truly wish there was viable 3rd party whose agenda I could agree with to challenge the other two, but there isn't. Even the Libertarians only get 2 to 3% of the vote if they run a decent candidate. Perhaps if all the minor parties could stop squabbling and pool their resources for one candidate they might draw enough people like you and me to mount a challenge. But they don't. Thus, we're stuck with the two restaurants serving crap and told to like it.

And as long as you ignore that new independent restaurant that doesn't yet have the customer base of the established franchise places that you aren't happy with, their won't be any competition for McBadAftertaste or Bloated King.

If everyone sits on their hands waiting for a 3rd party to magically jump to gain enough support to win the popular vote before they could bring themselves to vote for it, how is it ever going to get to that level?

Until people realize that power originates WITH the people and it is only LOANED to the government on the condition that it be exercised FOR the people in accordance with the people's wishes, we will be served the same swill by both restaurants.
I'll have mine without the blatant arrogant socialism, please.
Pass the salt.

I fully understand. I too get frustrated when the masses won't do what I think they need to do, especially since I can bring myself do what I think they need to do until they are all doing it first.

 

[88GT]

Secession - More attractive with each passing year.

It may well be Liberty's last refuge.

I think you will find should we ever get to that point that secession will create more problems than it solves. It is a fool's errand and the surest way to end any chance this nation has of survival.

We're still 6 months out from the general election and the "you have to vote Republican" is already ramping up. I can only imagine how ridiculous it's going to get in October. I already know there will be the "We have to vote Lugar so that so and so in the democrat party doesn't become the majority leader" chants.

So what? There is merit in the argument. Okay, well, maybe not so much for Lugar as it affects vote counts, but with majority control comes committee control and House/Senate control. There is far more at stake in each election outcome than the individual we send to Washington. Some people simply prefer to take this into consideration as well.

It's not so much that women (and men) vote for Obama, its the thought process (flawed IMO) that they use to decide their vote.

Their process isn't flawed. It's selfish, just like ours. They just want different things than we do and we have a form of self-governance that enables it to happen.

Brilliant plan!

How did that work out for you?



No sense changing strategies now. Vote for her again!

And voting for Paul as done what? /rhetorical

#goodforthegoosegoodforthegander

 

[.45 Dave]

And as long as you ignore that new independent restaurant that doesn't yet have the customer base of the established franchise places that you aren't happy with, their won't be any competition for McBadAftertaste or Bloated King.

If everyone sits on their hands waiting for a 3rd party to magically jump to gain enough support to win the popular vote before they could bring themselves to vote for it, how is it ever going to get to that level?

Were we in a less critical time I would agree with you and vote for a third party, and it may very well soon come to a time when I will. But not this election.
Think of it this way:America is a hospital patient. Obama is the cancer that must be removed from the patient NOW. The patient also needs a heart transplant (symbolizing integrity, a return to Constitutional values, listening to the the voice of the people, etc.) But if we don't remove the cancer first, the patient is going to die and a new heart operation is simply going to take too long considering the short time the patient has left if we do not remove the primary, most life threatening disease, immediately. Attack the most threatening problem first THEN we can go after a full recovery. I know, maybe not the best analogy, but remove Obama first then we can concentrate on supporting third parties to put pressure on both the Dems and Reps to turn this country around.

 

[J_Wales]

I think you will find should we ever get to that point that secession will create more problems than it solves. It is a fool's errand and the surest way to end any chance this nation has of survival.

Secession is about the security and preservation of Liberty. It is, by definition, not about the preservation of a nation.

Which is of greater importance to you?