Where do rights come from?

[Jludo]

So the ones that tried to kill hitler and the ones that later committed suicide don't count. But some other ones thought they were being moral? Is that the idea?

For the sake of the argument the assumption is that the generic 'nazi' genuinely held nazi beliefs. Not sure why we're concerning ourselves with the diversity of German sentiment during the third reich.

 

[nonobaddog]

The question is about the moralities. I question whether or not the "group think" is as thoroughly pervasive as the "assumption" says it is. The third reich is merely an example used because it has been studied and written about more than any other example.
How many guys in Salem went home to their wives and said "Look Sally, I don't think it is right either but if I say anything those crazy bastards will burn ME at the stake."

I believe in skeptics, probably since I am one.

 

[2A_Tom]

We could also say that some Aztecs did not believe in human sacrifice in order to appease the sun god.

We have a couple here that think the nazis were not all bad.

Oscar Schindler started out as a party member for financial reasons and had no problem with it's policies. That is until he realized they were wrong.

There were good people on both sides. Now where have I heard that before?

 

[nonobaddog]

We could also say that some Aztecs did not believe in human sacrifice in order to appease the sun god.

We have a couple here that think the nazis were not all bad.

Oscar Schindler started out as a party member for financial reasons and had no problem with it's policies. That is until he realized they were wrong.

There were good people on both sides. Now where have I heard that before?

The nazi policies became worse over time - they became horrible. I just find it highly improbable that all the people in an entire country agreed in spirit with that crap and it became their morals without the obvious force of the SS troops killing anybody that whispered dissent. Certainly some of the people 'went along' with it since they didn't have a choice at that point.

Kind of like if the USA (God forbid) were to go socialist. Most of the people would stay here and 'go along' with it since they wouldn't have a choice at that point and suffer the consequences. Sure there would be lots of dissent and thank God we don't get killed for that (Yet!).

 

[2A_Tom]

The nazi party was a closed group, you had to join, just like the communist party.


There is no comparison to saying you belong to a party in the US.

 

[nonobaddog]

OK, good point. So the 'group morals' only applies to the subgroup that believes in those morals. I can buy that.

 

[jamil]

OK, good point. So the 'group morals' only applies to the subgroup that believes in those morals. I can buy that.

Not all Germans were Nazis. But all Nazis were...Nazis. Like I said, it was ideological indoctrination.

 

[BugI02]

I think we can assume hes referring to the true believers, the ones who thought they were making the human race better.

You mean, like Margaret Sanger?

 

[Brad69]

So now that we have established where rights come from!

Can someone explain how healthcare a “right” ?

I assume that healthcare is a service provided by others?

I might not understand being not “woke” enough and all.

 

[churchmouse]

So now that we have established where rights come from!

Can someone explain how healthcare a “right” ?

I assume that healthcare is a service provided by others?

I might not understand being not “woke” enough and all.

This is the "NEW" thing with the snow flakes and the Gimme the free crowd. They have a terribly skewed sense of what our rights actually are. It seems to be what ever fits the current narrative. It is wide spread through that age group.

 

[2A_Tom]

The other day I heard a caller on some radio show coin a new term for them.

Freegans. It even sounds like something they would espouse.

 

[Jludo]

So now that we have established where rights come from!

Can someone explain how healthcare a “right” ?

I assume that healthcare is a service provided by others?

I might not understand being not “woke” enough and all.

Its certainty not a right but since not many people want to jump on the libertarian train we as a society have decided govt should take care of these extra things.
I don't understand the left's insistence on calling them rights, the programs aren't going to be abolished or receive less support just because you recognize them as extra.

 

[Jludo]

This is the "NEW" thing with the snow flakes and the Gimme the free crowd. They have a terribly skewed sense of what our rights actually are. It seems to be what ever fits the current narrative. It is wide spread through that age group.

Hey that age group didn't establish the entitlement system. Even now young people vote at like a 20% rate. Baby boomers are making all the decisions in Congress. I'll grant you the loudest rhetoric from my generation isn't great but we've not had a hand at the wheel yet, in 30 years we can blame ourselves for the state of affairs.

 

[NKBJ]

Even more skewed is where the public thinks we are right now.
The heat has been inched up on the frog fricassee for a long, long time now.

 

[churchmouse]

Hey that age group didn't establish the entitlement system. Even now young people vote at like a 20% rate. Baby boomers are making all the decisions in Congress. I'll grant you the loudest rhetoric from my generation isn't great but we've not had a hand at the wheel yet, in 30 years we can blame ourselves for the state of affairs.

I speak only of the bike lock on a cable cement milk shake throwing big mouthed segment of this age group. They are the most vocal and way off base part.
I also know a whole lot of self sufficient individuals in the age group as well. But we seldom if ever hear from them. In that the Bernies of the world are sucking up to them to buy the votes. The squeaky wheel and all of that.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Hey that age group didn't establish the entitlement system. Even now young people vote at like a 20% rate. Baby boomers are making all the decisions in Congress. I'll grant you the loudest rhetoric from my generation isn't great but we've not had a hand at the wheel yet, in 30 years we can blame ourselves for the state of affairs.

It's interesting isn't it? The Greatest Generation was kinda the first "gimme stuff" generation. Their kids, Baby Boomers, don't seem to realize that they benefitted quite a bit from that system, because when they grew up, they started wanting that money back in their checks that GOV had taken out.

 

[churchmouse]

It's interesting isn't it? The Greatest Generation was kinda the first "gimme stuff" generation. Their kids, Baby Boomers, don't seem to realize that they benefitted quite a bit from that system, because when they grew up, they started wanting that money back in their checks that GOV had taken out.

Maybe the ones that work do but I refer to that other group.

 

[NKBJ]

Big wars are kinda like slash and burn farming. The people of our generation (retirement age +/-) are beneficiaries of having the rest of the world blown up.

The gimme kids are in for some hard attitude adjustment. And maybe a little lash and bern.

 

[nonobaddog]

The gimme kids are in for some hard attitude adjustment. And maybe a little lash and bern.

They seem to want to learn the hardest way possible... and ruin a great country in the process.

 

[chipbennett]

Oh. And just for that I no longer agree with you. I'm on Chip's side now, just to spite you!

I don't know which side I am, but thanks to my customary baking with my daughters yesterday, we do have cookies. And cinnamon rolls.