Two bodies found in Carroll County

[HoughMade]

Anyhoo- about those allegations of being abused at Westville...

 

[jsharmon7]

Odinists to blame for murder

This case is taking a strange turn.

 

[printcraft]

Odinists to blame for murder

This case is taking a strange turn.

Ah, the old muddying the jury pool tactic.

In one instance, the defense claims to have seen "In Odin We Trust" patches on prison workers uniforms.

 

[CindyE]

I just looked up one of the people mentioned on FB, and they are creepy and look kinda like the Bridge Guy. Bizarre. I never even heard of this.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Odinists to blame for murder

This case is taking a strange turn.

When it’s 4th and 27 might as well take a shot at the end zone.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I just looked up one of the people mentioned on FB, and they are creepy and look kinda like the Bridge Guy. Bizarre. I never even heard of this.

And he stole Allen's gun, dropped a round of the same brand, killed the girls, then put the gun back?

The only way this works in my mind with him not being the killer is he was there with the Odins, watched them kill her, then took his gun and went home.

Otherwise we are toying with the one armed man defense.

 

[CindyE]

And he stole Allen's gun, dropped a round of the same brand, killed the girls, then put the gun back?

The only way this works in my mind with him not being the killer is he was there with the Odins, watched them kill her, then took his gun and went home.

Otherwise we are toying with the one armed man defense.

I don't think any of that first sentence. Just stating what i think after checking his FB.

 

[Hawkeye]

Ah, the old muddying the jury pool tactic.

How is this "muddying the jury pool"? As noted elsewhere, it seems to be the "one-armed man defense". A bit more out there, but...

 

[Expat]

Interesting, so let's blame one of the moms for dating a black guy?

 

[printcraft]

How is this "muddying the jury pool"? As noted elsewhere, it seems to be the "one-armed man defense". A bit more out there, but...

Yes, it's a "one armed man" tactic for sure.
It adds in another "doubt" the prosecution has to work around no matter how unbelievable.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Invoke Odinism, smear the investigators.

Prediction: coming soon will be a variation on OJ's legal team smearing Mark Fuhrman.

Attorneys for Richard Allen want client moved, lay out alternative theory of ‘ritualistic’ murder

DELPHI, Ind. – A ritualistic killing involving cultists. A conspiracy among prison guards. Investigators fixated on a single suspect. Those are among the stunning allegations made in court document…

fox59.com

From the filing:

“There is a reason that in his sworn affidavit Liggett concealed key information from Judge Diener and lied about other key information: Had Diener known the hidden and falsified facts then Diener would never have signed the search warrant – a search warrant that was already insufficient in linking Richard Allen to the murders even before Liggett’s lies and deceptions.”

 

[injb]

a search warrant that was already insufficient in linking Richard Allen to the murders even before Liggett’s lies and deceptions.”

I thought the whole point of adding likes would be to make it sufficient? I know it's the substance that matters but I can't help noticing how badly this entire document is written. It's like they hired someone from one of the true crime subreddits to write it. I thought lawyers were supposed to be persuasive.

They even begin by announcing that the intended audience is not the court, but rather those "not yet completely familiar with the case" (also known as the jury pool):

Because the facts in this memorandum are dense for anyone not yet completely familiar with this case, the Defense is providing this introductory section

 

[Farmerjon]

They even being by announcing that the intended audience is not the court, but rather those "not yet completely familiar with the case" (also known as the jury pool):

I am not a lawyer, but I also thought the lawyers were only talking to the court/jury. We the bystanders were only to be silent observers. It shouldn't matter if we know.

 

[Ingomike]

I am not a lawyer, but I also thought the lawyers were only talking to the court/jury. We the bystanders were only to be silent observers. It shouldn't matter if we know.

I am puzzled by some the comments here. It seems many here have already made a determination in this but somehow this filing is prejudicial to the case?

 

[injb]

I am not a lawyer, but I also thought the lawyers were only talking to the court/jury. We the bystanders were only to be silent observers. It shouldn't matter if we know.

+1. This is a good podcast that talks about it - the 2 hosts are actual prosecutors:

Their take on it is that this is something the defence has to do if they want to use this theory because if the opening statement is the first time the jurors have heard of Odinists, they'll be laughed out of the courtroom. It has to be common knowledge for this angle to have any chance.

 

[Alamo]

… It's like they hired someone from one of the true crime subreddits to write it. …

I haven’t read a lot of court documents, but I did think the language/phrasing in this one was … odd.

 

[HoughMade]

I haven’t read a lot of court documents, but I did think the language/phrasing in this one was … odd.

Agreed.

Having nothing else to go on other than the recent filings, this looks a lot to me like what we used to call the "dancing monkey" defense. Throw a crazy story out there and hope it is so distracting and confusing that people lose sight of the actual evidence. I have no idea about the truth of these "odinistic" claims, but.....geez.

This would tie in with the motion by the defense to have all further court proceedings televised. Fantastical claim + national TV coverage = distractions and frenzy. Everyone starts looking for the white supremist behind every tree and no one remembers that a cartridge from a gun found in Allen's house was found between the girls (they are also moving to suppress the search).

We have no idea what additional evidence they have or even the cause of death and condition of the bodies as found...but it must be compelling because this is crazy town.

 

[HoughMade]

As an aside, by firm has been engaged by the AG to defend civil lawsuits against IDOC employees including correctional officers. We have been at this for about a year and I am or have handled dozens of cases and probably hundreds in the firm. Westville is one of the places we handle.

Want to guess how many claims of pagan, white supremist odinism we have seen?

Want to guess what would happen if correctional officers were wearing blatant white supremist symbols?

Trust me when I tell you that the "incarcerated persons" are not at all afraid to make any and every allegation.

I'm just going to watch this unfold. Maybe I will be shocked and stunned by developments.....

 

[injb]

...

Trust me when I tell you that the "incarcerated persons" are not at all afraid to make any and every allegation.

...

That's what I thought it was too, but it reads like they are saying that they (the defence attorneys) witnessed the badges or whatever they are themselves. If it turns out they are lying about that...well there just isn't enough popcorn in Indiana for that. We'll have to order it in.

 

[printcraft]

I thought the whole point of adding likes would be to make it sufficient? I know it's the substance that matters but I can't help noticing how badly this entire document is written. It's like they hired someone from one of the true crime subreddits to write it. I thought lawyers were supposed to be persuasive.

They even begin by announcing that the intended audience is not the court, but rather those "not yet completely familiar with the case" (also known as the jury pool):