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    Ingomike

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    HKFaninCarmel said:
    My mind starts with these in order-
    Tom Cotton
    Brian Kemp
    Ron DeSantis
    Glenn Youngkin

    Cotton has been right about as much as anyone. Prob would struggle in a national election. Pompeo would be ok. Youngkin is prob the best candidate for an election.

    Cruz/Graham/Mike Lee have often made dumb mistakes. Mitch Daniels would have worked for me.
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    Very few on your list I could support.
     
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    HKFaninCarmel said:
    You can dig your head in the sand and say they're all Democrats! RINOS! NEOCONS!

    But, they are independent voters. You need those to win and he needs to win that group over.


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    You DO know that in most states an independent is simply a voter with no declared party affiliation/allegience, yes?

    Are you naive enough to believe that a large percentage of such people are actually independent of thought or undecided?

    For example, according to Ballotpedia the DC electorate demographics in 2016 were:

    Democrat 76%
    Republican 6%
    Libertarian 1%
    Green 1%
    Independent 17%

    The election voting results were 90.9% Democrat votes, 4.1% Republican, 1.6% Libertarian and 1.4% Green

    What is it about 15% of independents arguably breaking Democrat (about 88% of the total) that leads you to conclude they are truly independent rather than merely claiming to be so for the purposes of virtue signaling?

    Even in more normal areas of the country, 'independents' usually break between 2:1 and 3:1 Democrat with the best split being roughly 50/50 in landslide Republican wins like Reagan and Nixon

    IMO the mindset that influences people to want to register independent overwhelmingly favors democrat/progressive agendas. A republican who puts too much effort into wooing independents is wasting time and resources on a Quixotic mission, for a conservative to win they usually have to do by a large enough margin to need little in the way of independent votes

    True independents, that is persuadable voters who have not made up their mind, are the 80 year old black grandmothers who don't drive that are interminably brought up to argue against voter ID - they only exist as a convenient fiction to drive narratives on how elections should be conducted
     
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    BugI02 said:
    You DO know that in most states an independent is simply a voter with no declared party affiliation/allegience, yes?

    Are you naive enough to believe that a large percentage of such people are actually independent of thought or undecided?

    For example, according to Ballotpedia the DC electorate demographics in 2016 were:

    Democrat 76%
    Republican 6%
    Libertarian 1%
    Green 1%
    Independent 17%

    The election voting results were 90.9% Democrat votes, 4.1% Republican, 1.6% Libertarian and 1.4% Green

    What is it about 15% of independents arguably breaking Democrat (about 88% of the total) that leads you to conclude they are truly independent rather than merely claiming to be so for the purposes of virtue signaling?

    Even in more normal areas of the country, 'independents' usually break between 2:1 and 3:1 Democrat with the best split being roughly 50/50 in landslide Republican wins like Reagan and Nixon

    IMO the mindset that influences people to want to register independent overwhelmingly favors democrat/progressive agendas. A republican who puts too much effort into wooing independents is wasting time and resources on a Quixotic mission, for a conservative to win they usually have to do by a large enough margin to need little in the way of independent votes

    True independents, that is persuadable voters who have not made up their mind, are the 80 year old black grandmothers who don't drive that are interminably brought up to argue against voter ID - they only exist as a convenient fiction to drive narratives on how elections should be conducted
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    You do know that voters are the ones that elected Obama over Romney, Trump over Clinton, and Biden over Trump- right? You can look at the counties that have been blue red blue and see where independents are. Those areas have been strongest for Haley.

    A Republican who spends their time banging the drum for the far right will only have allegations and lawsuits to fall back on.
     
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    HKFaninCarmel said:
    You do know that voters are the ones that elected Obama over Romney, Trump over Clinton, and Biden over Trump- right? You can look at the counties that have been blue red blue and see where independents are. Those areas have been strongest for Haley.

    A Republican who spends their time banging the drum for the far right will only have allegations and lawsuits to fall back on.
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    Oh. Yeah. You’re talking about the squishy counties. The ones where all the progressive soccer moms live. Where all the Karens come from. :):
     
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    DadSmith said:
    www.washingtonexaminer.com

    Trump removed from Illinois ballot after judge cites ‘insurrectionist ban’ - Washington Examiner

    An Illinois judge removed former President Donald Trump from the state ballot on 14th Amendment grounds.
    www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com
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    These guys are buffoons. It won’t stick, removing someone for a crime they have not even been charged with, let alone convicted of is simply not constitutional. Let’s take it one step farther though. What if every Republican state, some of which are battleground states, removes Biden for any of the things he has yet to be charged with, starting with violating his oath of office, not protecting the border, ignoring Supreme Court rulings etc? What we would end up with is a president picked, not by vote, but by which party control the states. They are trying to fundamentally change the way elections are conducted. Blatant political ploys like this that, at least to me, are clear attempts at election interference should be a crime. A serious crime with serious jail time. Third world banana republic stuff.
     
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    Kdf101 said:
    These guys are buffoons.
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    Trump's lawyers now have more work, more time. More press of him being unqualified and J6. Less time for him to focus on winning. His big problem that we must look past, I'm told. It's a smart tactic. They know it won't stick. Lawfare, remember?
     
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