Yeah I know, whats it usually take? 2months?
4-6 months currently.
Yeah I know, whats it usually take? 2months?
I was told by the Huntington Police Chief, (not the current Chief), when I had my interview to apply for my license, that carrying openly in Huntington would be considered "brandishing", and that it was suggested that one's handgun should be carried concealed, to avoid creating a disturbance.
Unfortunately, this attitude is common in the greater Fort Wayne area. The former Mayor of FW, Paul Helmke, is a big gun control advocate, and the hysteria and paranoia about guns in the FW political landscape and media outlets remains very strong.
I was told by the Huntington Police Chief, (not the current Chief), when I had my interview to apply for my license, that carrying openly in Huntington would be considered "brandishing", and that it was suggested that one's handgun should be carried concealed, to avoid creating a disturbance.
Unfortunately, this attitude is common in the greater Fort Wayne area. The former Mayor of FW, Paul Helmke, is a big gun control advocate, and the hysteria and paranoia about guns in the FW political landscape and media outlets remains very strong.
Is there such a thing as intimidation to which he may have been referring ?
No worries. Here's how one Fort Wayne court dealt with an actual crime with a dead victim.
Drunk driver gets four years probation
Their imaginary firearm offenses should get lighter treatment.
Sounds Good. Will there be any accountability built in for any officer that chooses not to adhere to this new instruction? Such as signing off acknowledging that the instruction was received?
The department has always held individual officers accountable for training materials and information received, assuming that if you were trained, you're responsible for conforming to training standards. If your attendance in class was documented via the training roster (which everyone has to sign upon arrival), then you'd better conduct yourself as you were trained. This also shifts the burden for screwing up back onto the individual officer...if the department trains you on specific matter and you still screw up, you own it. Hopefully, the additional training will make a difference in interactions on the street.
Thanks for the response and your willingness to discuss these issues for the benefit of all parties on both sides. I think this kind of civil, open and honest dialogue is a good thing and hopefully is something that can carry over onto the streets when interactions take place.The department has always held individual officers accountable for training materials and information received, assuming that if you were trained, you're responsible for conforming to training standards. If your attendance in class was documented via the training roster (which everyone has to sign upon arrival), then you'd better conduct yourself as you were trained. This also shifts the burden for screwing up back onto the individual officer...if the department trains you on specific matter and you still screw up, you own it. Hopefully, the additional training will make a difference in interactions on the street.
As an update to this thread, the FWPD has just concluded a block of instruction regarding open-carry of guns in its in-service training modules for all personnel, with another session specifically for supervisory personnel. Supervisors were trained on this material in late 2012, and the department-wide in-service training cycle runs through Saturday, 2/2/13. Extensive information regarding Indiana firearm-related statutes was provided to every officer during my session and a pretty thorough discussion was held regarding constitutional issues at both the state and federal level, complete with recent case law concerning carrying of handguns in Indiana. I hope this training will help!
For me I wouldn't want my name in the blotter and have to deal with repercussions
You don't have to get arrested for that.
How many of you would ask the officer to arrest you for the charge of illegally OCing? Also, would you start a recorder in his clear view if he was saying things like this?
For me I wouldn't want my name in the blotter and have to deal with repercussions
I would.
Is there a tactful way to "get arrested" when the officer said he wasn't going to? I can see them tacking on some sort of interference charge or something else that will stick even if the OC one won't, though it would be an easy argument that they led you there with the false charge of illegally OCing. Are police allowed to lie to you even when you've done nothing wrong? I understand they can say Billy Bob said you were the trigger man, but can they walk up to you and say you're doing something illegal to fish and see if you'll admit anything?