To mask or not to mask....That is the question. Part II

[ditcherman]

Lawyers. Follow the money. Easier to comply than resist. Cheaper too.

Resistance is anarchy!

Sorry, I just had to, I’ve been serious for way too long tonight.

 

[jamil]

Which is also true for influenza and pneumonia, but we don't shut down the economy and corrode constitutional rights for those
illnesses, nor are we asked for our 'health papers'

Absolutely agree with all that. But that wasn’t our disagreement.

 

[Ingomike]

Unbelievable. look, any business has the right to mandate anything they want to allow entry. It`s a private property. You or I decide who we allow into our homes and we set any terms we want. If a business says mask up or don`t come in, it`s easy. DON`T go in...

That`s all I`m going to say on this, I`m not going to argue.

No they absolutely do not have the right to mandate "anything" they want. Just try and keep even an emotional support animal out. I did not invite the public to my home as a public accommodation like Lowes etc.

 

[gregr]

But my local hardware store REALLY wants me to come in, and my feed store, and my gun store (ok they don’t count because they’ll ask you to take your mask off!), and my parts suppliers, and NAPA. Oh and subway, and the Mexican restaurant and dollar general. As I’ve said before, I’ll put one on if asked, but I don’t think they really mean it, shown by test after test of them not asking me. They have the sign up for the Karen’s, or just because it seems like the thing to do.
I’ve been in the post office multiple times without one, the Clinton county courthouse, and spent an hour in the license branch the other day, so some more ‘official’ type places as well.
Not trying to argue, but trying to add clarity to my point.

They want you masked. The reason they don`t confront you is because they`ve been berated and threatened and at times even physically attacked for attempting to enforce the guidelines. If they didn`t want you masked, they wouldn`t have the sign out front regardless of what local government said. What`s happening when you go in ignoring the signage is you`re putting more stress on the employees and staff, and adding to the tension in whatever place you`ve entered.

 

[gregr]

No they absolutely do not have the right to mandate "anything" they want. Just try and keep even an emotional support animal out. I did not invite the public to my home as a public accommodation like Lowes etc.

Lowes is private property that happens to be a business. They 100% have the right to mandate anything they like to allow you entrance.

 

[gregr]

I don’t think you should shut up. It could be a correction, or could just be another opinion, right or not. No disrespect taken.
More to your point, I feel absolutely helpless in “change the law”. Helpless. Secondly, I would argue that many of these businesses are only putting a sign up because the gov’t told them too, many on here are calling that in and of itself “gov’t overreach”, and it all goes back to your basic belief of what this virus really is, pandemic or scamdemic. Everything is based on that foundational opinion. So, there’s really no point in arguing about the high level stuff until we recognize the foundational beliefs are so far apart and that is what is driving our arguments.

Nah, I`m just gonna shut up now.

 

[qwerty]

We took a lot of precautions in the US, but here's what happens if you don't:

I don't understand why it's so hard to believe this virus is killing people.

I realize this is supposed to be an apocalyptic visualization to the rest of the world, but it is a daily occurrence in India any time of year. Like the ventilators, and hospital ships, the overflowing hospitals, and the other dramatics that failed to appear, it is a photo in a Hindu country where fire is holy and bodies are burned.

I can only imagine what kind of freaking out the environmentalist are going to have now, since CNN was all over this story.....in 2011 https://www.cnn.com/2011/09/12/world/asia/india-funeral-pyres-emissions/index.html

 

[Ingomike]

Lowes is private property that happens to be a business. They 100% have the right to mandate anything they like to allow you entrance.

I even gave you real world examples and you still deny that business is regulated in all manor of ways including who they must let into their stores. Requiring private medical information to determine who must wear a mask is against the law as I see it. It is very similar to known privacy violations of law.

 

[gregr]

I even gave you real world examples and you still deny that business is regulated in all manor of ways including who they must let into their stores. Requiring private medical information to determine who must wear a mask is against the law as I see it. It is very similar to known privacy violations of law.

You can wish that you`re right until you`re blue in the face, but you`re wrong. Private property owners set their requirements for entry. If someone takes exception to those requirements, they may go elsewhere, but they ARE subject to trespass arrest if they refuse to leave.

 

[Ingomike]

You can wish that you`re right until you`re blue in the face, but you`re wrong. Private property owners set their requirements for entry. If someone takes exception to those requirements, they may go elsewhere, but they ARE subject to trespass arrest if they refuse to leave.

Can a business deny a person entry based on color, religion, sex, familial status, national origin, age, and genetic information? No they cannot. There is not the absolute you believe in absolutely...

 

[nonobaddog]

Lowes is private property that happens to be a business. They 100% have the right to mandate anything they like to allow you entrance.

So you think if they say only black people are allowed or only white people are allowed that they would get by with that? I don't think "anything" means what you think it means.

 

[nonobaddog]

Can a business deny a person entry based on color, religion, sex, familial status, national origin, age, and genetic information? No they cannot. There is not the absolute you believe in absolutely...

You are quicker than I am today.

 

[gregr]

So you think if they say only black people are allowed or only white people are allowed that they would get by with that? I don't think "anything" means what you think it means.

Oh good grief, no one has denied anyone entry for anything but the mask. They have that right. You have the right to go elsewhere.

 

[Ingomike]

Oh good grief, no one has denied anyone entry for anything but the mask. They have that right. You have the right to go elsewhere.

I thought you said you were out. The forcing of a mask is medical.

 

[nonobaddog]

All the stores should say everybody has to be topless - except masks allowed.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

All the stores should say everybody has to be topless - except masks allowed.

At first I thought I’d like this idea. Then I thought of the women I see at Walmart. No thanks

 

[Ingomike]

All the stores should say everybody has to be topless - except masks allowed.

This made me chuckle...

 

[Ingomike]

At first I thought I’d like this idea. Then I thought of the women I see at Walmart. No thanks

This made me sick. LOL

 

[d.kaufman]

All the stores should say everybody has to be topless

Are you sure that's a good idea

 

[wcd]

This made me sick. LOL

Ah thanks for the visual that can not be unseen.