The New Boy Scouts are coming...

[foszoe]

I personally don't care who takes who camping. Never been involved in scouting. There should be more than one adult present and neither one of them should be alone for an extended time with a scout member, especially when the sun goes down. Rotate t h e adult pairings to minimize cohesion.

The skills taught should be scouting ideals and not acceptable or unacceptable sexual preferences. Nothing wrong with the phrase, it is inappropriate for us to discuss ...

 

[Denny347]

I didn't equate them, I just asked a question.

I can walk in a room with gay porn on, male on male, and be disgusted and "feel my skin crawl" without hating anybody.

I ain't a superior human being. I am average.

Let someone say they hate before you do the assuming.

Ah-so only if you SAY hate...ok. Like I said, it's riding the line, I didn't say it was over the line. I guess I'm not as easily disgusted, actually there is little left that truly disgusted me.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I personally don't care who takes who camping. Never been involved in scouting. There should be more than one adult present and neither one of them should be alone for an extended time with a scout member, especially when the sun goes down. Rotate t h e adult pairings to minimize cohesion.

Even this sounds absurd. We're operating on the assumption of guilt here. Is there something inherently deviant about scout leaders that I'm not aware of? Is there a history of sexual abuse in the scouts?

Would you suggest the same rules be applied to priests of the church?

 

[Denny347]

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Why does everything in life have to boil down to the assumption that people (or men, specifically) are going to act on sexual urges?

It's these guy's jobs to take the kids out and teach them. It's their occupation. It really has nothing to do with their orientation. The two are explicitly separate things.

Now you talk'n crazy............

 

[gstanley102]

I dropped my membership in 2013, after 35 years, when the BSA decided they no longer had morals or values.
This is a logical continuation of the degradation, and dumbing down, of the original program.
It is a cowardly act to shove the membership requirements off onto unit sponsors who are less able to defend their position,
because the national organization does not want to address the adult membership requirements.

It was a great organization which has become victim of the leftists.
They now have control after several years of constant battling.
The national organization has become amoral.

 

[PistolBob]

Are the words hate and disgusting the SAME word now too? If so, your comment would seem valid, otherwise at least ask before assuming.

Bigot - Anyone that disagrees with a liberal
Hater - Anyone that disagrees with the LGBT gang

Memorize that, it makes things easier to understand.

 

[17 squirrel]

But would you let a straight man care for your daughter? Someone's sexual orientation has nothing to do with whether or not they are a pedophile.

Well due to the fact I don't have any daughters I can't honestly answer that question, but I would think in most contexts or situations like he's my daughters softball coach ? Yes I would leave her in his care.
And thanks for the unnecessary education, I believe I know the difference between gay and pedophile.

 

[17 squirrel]

Your view on what others do is disgusting. A Homosexual is no less of a human than any one of us. Why hate someone because they have a different orientation than you? I too, am an eagle scout and I am appalled at how others can still hate like they do over something that one has no choice over.

Hate ? Where did that come from hamster ? You're the one that said homosexuals are not human.
I'll tell you what I hate, I hate people that tell me what I or others believe in is wrong.
And I really hate people that push there values and beliefs on others that truly could care less how others live there lives.

 

[17 squirrel]

I'm no expert, but I think it's the unknown homosexuals that you really have to worry about.

That's a hard way to go through life constantly worrying about
" The Unknown " I don't sweat the unknown.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Edit: Nevermind. Poor taste joke.

 

[PistolBob]

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Careful...I said this very same thing...a few months ago....in total jest and got a one week vacation.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Careful...I said this very same thing...a few months ago....in total jest and got a one week vacation.

Oh, maybe I should make it purple... I did mean it in jest.

Edit: Back to what I was saying - What about being gay makes someone inherently a threat to the youth?

Edit2: Not that I'm advocating forcing the Boy Scouts to change their rules.

 

[gstanley102]

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Why does everything in life have to boil down to the assumption that people (or men, specifically) are going to act on sexual urges?

It's these guy's jobs to take the kids out and teach them. It's their occupation. It really has nothing to do with their orientation. The two are explicitly separate things.

This thread illustrates a distinct lack of knowledge of the BSA program and the operation of troops.
Not to be outdone by the national council of the BSA.

 

[foszoe]

Even this sounds absurd. We're operating on the assumption of guilt here. Is there something inherently deviant about scout leaders that I'm not aware of? Is there a history of sexual abuse in the scouts?

Would you suggest the same rules be applied to priests of the church?

In an organized group overnight with a bunch of kids, yes. Prevention is how I would spin it because presumption implies judgment. That's what I was roiling Dennys up a little about I suppose. The presumption of Hate based on 2 aentences. Dennys could hypothetically respond with info I didn't know, for example, previous posts I had not read or physical encounters where the person uttered such things while visibly shaking with clinched fists instead of cringing etc.

I believe the treasurer at the church should have each deposit counted individually too.

 

[17 squirrel]

Yup, they have to prepare to defend themselves from the ignorant boobs that believe that homosexuality=child molesters, sad sad sad.

It comical that the people that believe it ok for a homosexual to be a Scout Master are the ONLY ones here that's keeps bringing up child molesters and homosexuality are not the same. Yea,, yea, us ignorant boobs here all know that touchers appetites are different.
Unless I missed a post ?

 

[foszoe]

Bigot - Anyone that disagrees with a liberal
Hater - Anyone that disagrees with the LGBT gang

Memorize that, it makes things easier to understand.

I will admit homophobic is a word I laugh at. Its not a large sample size, but I don't know anyone e that is against homosexuality that's phobic about it. That said, I am one of the few in my circle that has hung out in gay bars, went to gay parties where I was the only known heterosexual and I wasn't scared. I didn't approve, but they were people to me. They accepted the fact I thought homosexuality was morally wrong and I even changed some opinions on abortion. I get called homophobic more by people who are heterosexual defending homosexuality then I do when surrounded by homosexuals. That is amusing

 

[HamsterStyle]

It comical that the people that believe it ok for a homosexual to be a Scout Master are the ONLY ones here that's keeps bringing up child molesters and homosexuality are not the same. Yea,, yea, us ignorant boobs here all know that touchers appetites are different.
Unless I missed a post ?

So, if one is not worried about molestation, sexual assault, rape, etc... what is the basis that homosexual men should not be allowed to be a leader in a scout troop? I did make the assumption that people are against this for the safety of the children and that they would come in and just take their pick of the kids.

So, why do you think it is wrong for a homosexual to lead?

 

[17 squirrel]

Even this sounds absurd. We're operating on the assumption of guilt here. Is there something inherently deviant about scout leaders that I'm not aware of? Is there a history of sexual abuse in the scouts?

Would you suggest the same rules be applied to priests of the church?

Well lets see, The Scouts have been sued one more than one occasion for child molestion from adult men..
Now about the Catholic Priests, hundreds of past and ongoing lawsuits. A priest is one of the last people I would have left my minor son in the care of.
So yes I would also believe extra oversight should be used with anyone around children. It's a sad sad world we live in, but statistics prove over and over, you need to watch your children.

 

[17 squirrel]

So, if one is not worried about molestation, sexual assault, rape, etc... what is the basis that homosexual men should not be allowed to be a leader in a scout troop? I did make the assumption that people are against this for the safety of the children and that they would come in and just take their pick of the kids.

So, why do you think it is wrong for a homosexual to lead?

Because this is a lifestyle I chose for my child and myself to not to associate with. It goes against all that I was taught as a child and young adult. Its what i believe. It's certainly not personal towards anyone. I truly could care less what lifestyle someone lives, just don't push your lifestyle in my face and expect me to agree with you.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Disclaimer: I was a Cub Scout for two years and a Boy Scout for about two months. The Boy Scouts, as I understood it from years of being around them and reading "Boy's Life," were organized to teach outdoor skills and ingrain the concepts of honor and morality into boys and young men. That's one reason why so many Scout Troops were sponsored by churches of various denominations around the world. Once again, Progressives (read Communists) have used the courts to attempt to corrupt and demoralize an institution which espoused standard moral values as a means of breaking down our society. It's a shame that it is so. And, as usual, those promoting - or indifferent to - the degradation of society's moral basees insist upon equating hating an activity with hating the person who engages in that activity. Most of us are smarter than that.