The Libertarian Party Race is Filling Up?

[Dead Duck]

Has it been explained to us yet who a vote for none of the above is really for? Probably Hilary...you're voting for Hilary, how dare you...You hate America don't you? You want them to confiscate my guns, you Socialist loser. Trump 2016.

You're posting in the wrong thread...

Here - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/general-political-discussion/407721-trump.html

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Has it been explained to us yet who a vote for none of the above is really for? Probably Hilary...you're voting for Hilary, how dare you...You hate America don't you? You want them to confiscate my guns, you Socialist loser. Trump 2016.

Statist socialist, thank you.

 

[mrjarrell]

Johnson has a good chance at a win, if he can attract the large numbers of voter that hate Hillary and Trump. More people hate them than like them.

[video=youtube_share;4l4zMkXS1vw]http://youtu.be/4l4zMkXS1vw[/video]

 

[chipbennett]

I mostly agree, however with one exception. Trump gets a lot of support from the blue collar sector much like Perot did. Also, as was mentioned, I don't recall the number but I've seen it reported that a pretty high percentage of Bernie bots say they would vote for Trump before voting for Hillary. Also, a lot of the support Bernie gets is from the pot smokers. But Bernie is probably a bit too old and feeble to crowdsurf.

As I said to Chip, there is a surprisingly large group of Bernie Supporters who say they would vote for Trump before they'd vote for Hillary. Perhaps those same voters might look at a libertarian candidate, but like me, will wind up not voting for the Libertarian because there are currently only two people who can possibly end up as POTUS. It's not going to be the Libertarian.

I see the Trump coalition comprised more of marginalized/disenfranchised voters, and the Bernie coalition comprised more of protest voters.

Both are different, and will respond differently to different candidates in the general election. And both make predictive models highly uncertain.

 

[jamil]

Johnson has a good chance at a win, if he can attract the large numbers of voter that hate Hillary and Trump. More people hate them than like them.

Swindler. Criminal. Douchebag. You really think there are enough douchbag voters for the douchebag to win? I think it's delusional to think Johnson would have anywhere near enough support to win. The swindler has support from middle-finger voters. The criminal has support from the vagina coalition. Dude, it ain't happening for the douchebag. But maybe the Libertarians will get enough votes to sit at the big table next time.

I see the Trump coalition comprised more of marginalized/disenfranchised voters, and the Bernie coalition comprised more of protest voters.

Both are different, and will respond differently to different candidates in the general election. And both make predictive models highly uncertain.

I agree. But one can be marginalized/disenfranchised AND be a protest voter. According to the polls, there is an overlap. For example, very few Hillary voters say they'd vote for Trump if Bernie wins the nomination. If memory serves I think that number is in the low single digits. However ~20% of Bernie voters said they could see themselves voting for Trump if Hillary wins the nomination. Both Bernie and Trump do well among blue collar workers. I think that may be where most of the overlap lies.

 

[printcraft]

Johnson has a good chance at a win, if he can attract the large numbers of voter that hate Hillary and Trump. More people hate them than like them.

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[steveh_131]

There is virtually no one who would normally vote Democrat, that is considering voting Libertarian.

Source? I've encountered many.

Libertarian is most closely aligned with Republican, because Democrats despise the concepts of individual liberty, and limited government.

Patriot act, perpetual foreign wars, police state, drug war? Any of these ring a bell?

Most republicans hate individual liberty just as much as democrats. Gun rights? Eh, most republicans support some form of 'reasonable restrictions'. They only differ in their definition of 'reasonable'.

Fiscal conservatism? Republicans mostly play-act at that. Sure, they'd love to cut 'welfare' I guess. But when it comes time to fix the roads or the schools or whatever they'll raise taxes in a heartbeat.

 

[mrjarrell]

Gary Johnson on Meet The Press.

[video=youtube_share;UAahR4uv5Lg]http://youtu.be/UAahR4uv5Lg[/video]

 

[Dead Duck]

[video=youtube;Emc1M5F9I-E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Emc1M5F9I-E[/video]

 

[jamil]

[video=youtube;Emc1M5F9I-E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Emc1M5F9I-E[/video]

I'm not a big fan of Johnson. But what did he sidestep?

 

[Dead Duck]

I'm not a big fan of Johnson. But what did he sidestep?

It's not just Johnson. Every time I see a politician in an interview, that "Sidestep" skit comes to mind.

Johnson hit on almost all the key points from the Libertarian playbook. Very thought out and meticulous answers. Almost as he practiced in the mirror in the Green Room minutes earlier. And I'm sure that gave every die hard LP member a walking chubby but I can't help wonder why this guy can't just talk for himself. Any robot can memorize the parties agenda and outline what the members want to hear.

 

[foszoe]

Source? I've encountered many.



Patriot act, perpetual foreign wars, police state, drug war? Any of these ring a bell?

Most republicans hate individual liberty just as much as democrats. Gun rights? Eh, most republicans support some form of 'reasonable restrictions'. They only differ in their definition of 'reasonable'.

Fiscal conservatism? Republicans mostly play-act at that. Sure, they'd love to cut 'welfare' I guess. But when it comes time to fix the roads or the schools or whatever they'll raise taxes in a heartbeat.

I think some of this post, mostly the last paragraphs, applies more to the average Republican politician rather than the Avery Republican voter. The pro choice Republican voter would have fewer hurdles to overcome voting Libertarian. What % of Republicans are they I wonder....

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Gary Johnson on Meet The Press.

[video=youtube_share;UAahR4uv5Lg]http://youtu.be/UAahR4uv5Lg[/video]

Ugh...Our choices are among a criminal, a huckster, and a pot-head-SJW. "Freedom of choice" my ***, Mr. Johnson. And by the way, most people I know tend to be fiscally conservative and socially-keep-what-happens-in-your-bedroom-your-own-business-and-leave-me-alone.

 

[Jludo]

It's not just Johnson. Every time I see a politician in an interview, that "Sidestep" skit comes to mind.

Johnson hit on almost all the key points from the Libertarian playbook. Very thought out and meticulous answers. Almost as he practiced in the mirror in the Green Room minutes earlier. And I'm sure that gave every die hard LP member a walking chubby but I can't help wonder why this guy can't just talk for himself. Any robot can memorize the parties agenda and outline what the members want to hear.

There's no faster way to sink a campaign than to try explain to a national audience the problems with the civil rights act, as Ron Paul so valuably taught us.
To be taken seriously as a thiRd party libertarians have to suck it up and make a half hearted attempt to act like politicians.

As much as I'd prefer to see intellectual debates about the merits of liberty vs statism, the truth is in the sad state we find ourselves even the libertarians have to stick to soundbites.

 

[jamil]

There's no faster way to sink a campaign than to try explain to a national audience the problems with the civil rights act, as Ron Paul so valuably taught us.
To be taken seriously as a thiRd party libertarians have to suck it up and make a half hearted attempt to act like politicians.

As much as I'd prefer to see intellectual debates about the merits of liberty vs statism, the truth is in the sad state we find ourselves even the libertarians have to stick to soundbites.

That's the thing I hate about society. Society celebrates phonies.

But I think Libertarians would do better in public opinion if in the debate about liberty vs statism, they'd admit that given the diversity of opinion, there is a place to draw the line. Overton's window is nowhere near the hill where Libertarians typically choose to die.

 

[BugI02]

+1 Jamil

Constitutionalism, Liberty, Limited Gov't, Tax and Budget reform ... page 1 paragraph 1

Legalize marijauna ... probably page 2 somewhere. They often seem not to recognize the relative importance of ideas or that any such distinction exists

 

[mrjarrell]

Interesting poll out of the Detroit News. Shows Clinton and Trump leading in their races and Johnson has risen about half a point from other polls. The interesting part is that he draws from both candidates in the polls, not just the "republican", as so many of the party true believers would have us believe. Looking good! Nice thing is that Johnson doesn't need 51% of the vote to win. Just 34%. Of course in the Michigan matchup Bernie wins by a landslide. Dems are backing the wrong horse.

Poll: Clinton, Sanders lead Trump in Michigan match-ups

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Ben Sasse won’t vote for Trump, is looking into the Libertarian party, and wants to go beyond a 2 party system

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Gary Johnson says he won't smoke pot as president | Washington Examiner

 

[printcraft]

Gary Johnson says he won't smoke pot as president | Washington Examiner

Can't trust a guy that won't stick to his convictions........