The Libertarian Party Race is Filling Up?

[ArcadiaGP]

It's terribly simple. Not even about R/D. Any vote that is not for someone who could actually beat Hillary is essentially a vote for her.

It's no different with those who abstain. We can either beat her or stand back and let her win, just like we did with Obama.

Then please, tell me how this is different:

Any vote that is not for someone who could actually beat Trump is essentially a vote for him.

Democrats have to see this the exact same way. If you vote third party, you're "letting Trump win."

But, no, a vote for someone other than Trump is not a vote for Hillary. It's just a vote for someone other than Trump and Hillary.

Unless you specifically concede that Trump is and always was a loser... and shouldn't have been the Republican nominee if they wanted victory. I'm just saying that because I haven't followed where your candidate allegiances have been, I honestly don't know

 

[bwframe]

Then please, tell me how this is different:

Any vote that is not for someone who could actually beat Trump is essentially a vote for him.

Democrats have to see this the exact same way. If you vote third party, you're "letting Trump win."...

Now you got it! The dems have understood this much better that us, voting unwaveringly, regardless of their terrible candidates. Hopefully this time we win a few of them over in their disgust of their results and the current candidate.

This is a gun forum. If you're not voting for someone who can defeat gun control, you are supporting it.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

This is a gun forum. If you're not voting for someone who can defeat gun control, you are supporting it.

Then that's just a matter of perspective that we don't need to get into in this thread. Some people trust Donald Trump, and others don't.

Regardless. Unless I vote for Clinton, I didn't vote for Clinton. Unless I vote for Clinton, I didn't support gun control. This really, really bad argument should be put out of it's misery. Seeing things that black-and-white isn't a good way to treat politics. Or people, in general.

 

[BugI02]

Trumps stance is telling you whatever it takes to get elected, what his stance will be tomorrow is anyone's guess. He's about only one person, always has been. Snake oil salesmen always manage to find someone who's buying.

So what, pray tell, is Weld's 180 on his positions as governor telling you? Because it would be telling me he's '...telling you whatever it takes to get elected'
Weld is an appatchik, Trump manifestly is not.

 

[BugI02]

But hey, attend Trump University if you'd like. (It's like drinking cool-aid but the charismatic leader doesn't die, just get's richer and more famous)

But hey, vote Libertarian if you'd like. The (purportedly) ideologically pure leader doesn't die, doesn't get elected, but does accomplish obama's third term and the candidate gets poorer and more infamous

 

[mrjarrell]

1.7 Self-Defense The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

This is what Johnson and Weld support. Certainly better than their opponents.

 

[BugI02]

They'll never give in. The Libertarian stance has always been to whine about everyone else. If they chose to side with someone who could actually win, they'd be held accountable for it. Whining ends when it's your own fault. Libertarians feel they are never at fault.

Modern day Essenes

The Essenes


A third faction, the Essenes, emerged out of disgust with the other two. This sect believed the others had corrupted the city and the Temple. They moved out of Jerusalem and lived a monastic life in the desert, adopting strict dietary laws and a commitment to celibacy.

 

[bwframe]

This is a gun forum. If you're not voting for someone who can defeat gun control, you are supporting it.

Then that's just a matter of perspective that we don't need to get into in this thread...

Oh, but some believe that defeating gun control should be the top issue for all gun owners. Everything else is secondary, controlled by where we've allowed the enemy to take our right to self defense.

 

[BugI02]

Then that's just a matter of perspective that we don't need to get into in this thread. Some people trust Donald Trump, and others don't.

Regardless. Unless I vote for Clinton, I didn't vote for Clinton. Unless I vote for Clinton, I didn't support gun control. This really, really bad argument should be put out of it's misery. Seeing things that black-and-white isn't a good way to treat politics. Or people, in general.

So perhaps while you're slaying arguments, you would kindly slay the one that voting for Trump is voting against conservative ideals?

According to your logic, a vote for Trump is just a vote for Trump and no further assumptions should/can be made about it - whatever the results

 

[mrjarrell]

Modern day Essenes

The Essenes


A third faction, the Essenes, emerged out of disgust with the other two. This sect believed the others had corrupted the city and the Temple. They moved out of Jerusalem and lived a monastic life in the desert, adopting strict dietary laws and a commitment to celibacy.

Doesn't sound like any libertarian I know. More republican than anything. Trumps followers will gladly follow him off a cliff or out into the desert. So will Hillary's.

 

[Dead Duck]

Modern day Essenes

The Essenes


A third faction, the Essenes, emerged out of disgust with the other two. This sect believed the others had corrupted the city and the Temple. They moved out of Jerusalem and lived a monastic life in the desert, adopting strict dietary laws and a commitment to celibacy.

Poor Goats.....



They're always getting the shaft.

 

[BugI02]

This is what Johnson and Weld support ...

3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.


They left out the part about amnesty and path to citizenship, though

 

[indiucky]

Because Trump can't swindle more than 31% of the population.

Enough with the "swindled" crap....

I am not mad at anyone for voting Libertarian...You will never hear me say someone is "throwing their vote away" or "Giving it to Hillary" by voting for Gary "Crowd Surfing" Johnson...

And I will not...

Just because some folks support Trump doesn't make them any more "swindled" or "sheep like" than a Gary Johnson or Hillary supporter...

The ones who ***** and moan the loudest about voting their "conscience" are the ones that will that will berate someone for doing the exact same thing....

The horses you all ride....They are very tall...

Perhaps climbing off of that high horse may do you all a bit of good....

 

[mrjarrell]

3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.


They left out the part about amnesty and path to citizenship, though

that individuals not be unreasonably constrained

This is the key part of the sentence. It's really too bad the Trumpers and many republicans only pay lip service to free trade.

 

[HoughMade]

This is the key part of the sentence. It's really too bad the Trumpers and many republicans only pay lip service to free trade.

Sooner or later we'll have to compete in the world marketplace rather than trying to ignore that it exists.

 

[Tombs]

3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.


They left out the part about amnesty and path to citizenship, though

Gun rights aren't going to matter if our country dies economically...

Unchecked imports from the 3rd world, forcing our companies to compete with slave labor while having to pay their workers minimum wages, benefits, and various safety laws is a sure fire way to drive the country into the ground. Pure ideology doesn't make for a good political platform... Pragmatism is required.

 

[BugI02]

"Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

Sorry, Mr J but that - in it's entirety - sounds more like making a case for open borders than a case for free trade (might want to reread the part about 'Political freedom and escape from tyranny...'
and the concept of '...human capital' to see if we're talking about immigration or trade)

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Gary Johnson Shoots Himself in the Foot: Throws Out Austin Petersen?s Gun ? Liberty Hangout

 

[jamil]

I thought maybe people would be talking about Gary Johnson agreeing with socialism if voluntary. Socialism and "voluntary" are kinda mutually exclusive when you're talking a societal scale. Is "voluntary" 50% +1? Super majority? Opt-in? I'd like to see how that works. And then laugh real loud.

 

[jamil]

Gary Johnson Shoots Himself in the Foot: Throws Out Austin Petersen?s Gun ? Liberty Hangout

Well, the 2016 election is officially a complete joke. Now the choice is between a swindler, a criminal, and a douchebag.