The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[KG1]

Well I guess one would have to give it to Sanders for being forthright with his platforms if nothing else.

This would likely be his last run at the White House and he’s pretty much laying it all on the table win or lose.

Let’s just hope it’s a losing proposition once again for the sake of the country.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

Well I guess one would have to give it to Sanders for being forthright with his platforms if nothing else.

This would likely be his last run at the White House and he’s pretty much laying it all on the table win or lose.

Let’s just hope it’s a losing proposition once again for the sake of the country.

I'm curious to see what type of loon he would choose as his VP. Look at the little shriveled up humped over old fella. I don't know if he could physically handle the toll being President.

 

[rob63]

https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-says-rotate-conservative-124034733.html
Bernie Sanders Says He Would ‘Rotate’ Conservative Judges Off the Supreme Court


“I do not believe in packing the court,” Sanders said. “We’ve got a terrible 5-4 majority conservative court right now. But I do believe constitutionally we have the power to rotate judges to other courts and that brings in new blood into the Supreme Court and a majority I hope that will understand that a woman has a right to control her own body and that corporations cannot run the United States of America.”

Trump should just jump all over that right now. I can imagine the screams when he announces it is a great idea... "We'll start with the 2 oldest members, Ginsburg and Breyer, and see how it goes."

 

[KG1]

Trump should just jump all over that right now. I can imagine the screams when he announces it is a great idea... "We'll start with the 2 oldest members, Ginsburg and Breyer, and see how it goes."

I think Bernie is most likely talking about rotating conservative leaning justices out until he finds the ones that he agrees with to pack the court with.

 

[jamil]

Biden is the only one that has the "establishment" behind him. I think that'll give him more staying power.

That, and I think he's one of the few sane ones among the bunch. Moderate Democrat voters will gravitate toward that.

One difference, though... the hard-left media outlets are trying to take him down. Not sure if money alone can pull him through that. I only see them trying to prop up Harris, though... giving her tons of opportunities to "correct" what she said during the debate.

NPR, for example, just "found" footage from their archives of Biden regarding some "busing" nontroversy. Amazing, like those archives were locked up from 2009-2016. Not a hint of self-awareness.

Propaganda machine is working against the democrats right now

No, Biden’s not the only establishment candidate, though he is the only establishment heavyweight. De Blasio and Harris are both establishment candidates. They’re just 2nd tier. I think Biden is vulnerable because the left-most media is against him.

How far Biden gets is going to depend on how he navigates the primaries. I think it would be an easy win if primaries were held on the same day. But with the way it is, I think he’s at a big disadvantage. He’s had a lot of experience running unsuccessful primary bids. I think he thinks he knows how to run a campaign. I also think he’s full of **** and doesn’t understand the political world he occupies now.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No, Biden’s not the only establishment candidate, though he is the only establishment heavyweight. De Blasio and Harris are both establishment candidates. They’re just 2nd tier. I think Biden is vulnerable because the left-most media is against him.

How far Biden gets is going to depend on how he navigates the primaries. I think it would be an easy win if primaries were held on the same day. But with the way it is, I think he’s at a big disadvantage. He’s had a lot of experience running unsuccessful primary bids. I think he thinks he knows how to run a campaign. I also think he’s full of **** and doesn’t understand the political world he occupies now.

Who do you think the typical listeners of the left-most media are? I'm not saying that Joe won't drop the ball, but most of the left leaning people I know are going to vote for Biden. I think the left suffers from the same problem as the right, in that the most vocal and visible, aren't representative of the entire group. Candidate for some reason haven't figured that out. I mean how many people will tell you they "held their nose" and voted for Trump. I expect that there will be something similar in this regard, if Biden doesn't fold like a lawn chair on a Sunday afternoon.

 

[actaeon277]

I think Bernie is most likely talking about rotating conservative leaning justices out until he finds the ones that he agrees with to pack the court with.

Of course he is.
Rob is pointing out, that the left would have a collective heart attack if Trump used that same "interpretation".

 

[KG1]

Of course he is.
Rob is pointing out, that the left would have a collective heart attack if Trump used that same "interpretation".

I quoted rob’s post when I meant to comment on yours like he did. I agree with what he said.

It’s always ok for one political side to take a radical position but not ok when the other side adopts that same position such as the nuclear option for example.

 

[Twangbanger]

Biden is the Democrat's Jeb, destined for the same fate​

If Jeb had Superdelegates to protect him - he would have been the Republican nominee. (And Hillary would be President now).

Biden is not occupying the "Jeb" spot in this primary. He's essentially occupying the Trump spot, which is to say: he has a solid 30% bank of support in the early miles of the race, which isn't going anywhere, and will only get added-to as other candidates run out of money and fold. The Freak Show Candidates are splitting the progressive vote, and the benefit of that will accrue to Joe Biden.

Superdelegates make everything about this race different from the GOP Primary in 2016.​

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...How far Biden gets is going to depend on how he navigates the primaries. I think it would be an easy win if primaries were held on the same day. But with the way it is, I think heÂ’s at a big disadvantage. HeÂ’s had a lot of experience running unsuccessful primary bids. I think he thinks he knows how to run a campaign. I also think heÂ’s full of **** and doesnÂ’t understand the political world he occupies now.

I think Biden is aware of the world he inhabits now...which is precisely why he made sure he had Superdelegate support, before entering the race as a shriveled old white guy. Like Hillary, he was not going to attempt this grueling ordeal at his age, without some kind of assurance in place beforehand.

Now, is it possible someone could "Obama" him, like happened to Hillary in 2008? In theory, yes. But in practice, that "Obama" does not currently exist in the Democrat field. Obama pulled off the 2008 primary with gassed-up messages of "Hope and Change," designed to play well in the Heartland while not giving any specifics. He did not win the Heartland with passionate defenses of forced busing. He did not do it with detail-riddled specificity about how he was going to redistribute the wealth of the nation. The current crop of Dem contenders do not seem to "get" this. Obama got the Superdelegates, by convincing them he could convince the Purple Heartland of America, better than Hillary could. The current crop of leftist Democrats, by contrast, are only displaying an ability to titillate the left-wing freak show sector of the public.

Who do you think the typical listeners of the left-most media are? I'm not saying that Joe won't drop the ball, but most of the left leaning people I know are going to vote for Biden. I think the left suffers from the same problem as the right, in that the most vocal and visible, aren't representative of the entire group. Candidate for some reason haven't figured that out. I mean how many people will tell you they "held their nose" and voted for Trump. I expect that there will be something similar in this regard, if Biden doesn't fold like a lawn chair on a Sunday afternoon.

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I am going to have to agree with you. Most left-leaners have bought the idea that only a white guy can beat Trump (which I do not agree with, because I do not believe America is racist). Their eyes are on the prize, and they will go with a white guy to beat a white guy. The right-leaners predicting the demise of Biden are simply not very good students of the details of election history.

But the above mistake on the part of right-leaners is understandable: they have simply forgotten that the Dem primary is not the free-for-all exercise in democracy that the GOP had in 2016. The Superdelegates are given an outsized role in picking the Democrat nominee, and have likely already made their choice. These people see the Senate map for 2020 and 2022, and they know it isn't good for Democrats. They know Trump isn't really the person they have to beat; it's Mitch McConnell. No matter who they can elect in 2020, it cannot matter if Mitch is not dislodged from that Majority Leader's seat. And the path to doing that, leads through PURPLE states...not Blue ones.

The Superdelegates, the retired teachers, the financially-established government workers, the nice church-goin' black folk, are more practical than the full-out leftists. They realize no Democrat President can accomplish anything without the Senate. And if they immediately turn around and lose it in the Purple-state Senate gauntlet of 2022, they're back to square one. (And if they're led through that gauntlet by someone scary like Elizabeth Warren, they risk putting it farther out of reach and being even worse-off than square one).

The Right thinks Biden's campaign is under-estimating the strength of the Freak Show Left.

I think the Right is under-estimating the intelligence of the Center Left.

For the reasons stated above, I believe the freaks will have their weeks in the early primary, but Biden will suffer their slings and arrows, and emerge as the Nominee.

 

[actaeon277]

I quoted rob’s post when I meant to comment on yours like he did. I agree with what he said.

It’s always ok for one political side to take a radical position but not ok when the other side adopts that same position such as the nuclear option for example.

Yes. I will say, both sides are guilty of that. But the left excels.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I am going to have to agree with you. Most left-leaners have bought the idea that only a white guy can beat Trump (which I do not agree with, because I do not believe America is racist). Their eyes are on the prize, and they will go with a white guy to beat a white guy. The right-leaners predicting the demise of Biden are simply not very good students of the details of election history.

 

[Twangbanger]

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[jamil]

Who do you think the typical listeners of the left-most media are? I'm not saying that Joe won't drop the ball, but most of the left leaning people I know are going to vote for Biden. I think the left suffers from the same problem as the right, in that the most vocal and visible, aren't representative of the entire group. Candidate for some reason haven't figured that out. I mean how many people will tell you they "held their nose" and voted for Trump. I expect that there will be something similar in this regard, if Biden doesn't fold like a lawn chair on a Sunday afternoon.

To answer the question, the people who consume the left-most media are across the board left. When I say “left-most” media, I’m talking about individuals, not institutions. CNN is/was, for example, considered to be moderate in their hard news, but quite progressive in their opinion news.

Of course neither side is just one ideological monolith. I’m just saying that the press has an effect on people’s opinions, and it does not appear to me that the more liberal members of the press, which includes reportage from all the major networks/outlets, is all that supportive of Biden. If there is an establishment candidate they support it’s Harris. She could blow someone in the middle of Pennsylvania Ave, and then put a bullet in his head, and the media would spin it as heroic.

And, of course I would expect that the Democrats you know would tend to support Biden. High polling numbers mean something. And so do demographics. I work with mostly younger people. It’s across the spectrum but hardly anyone under 35 thinks much of Biden. I do think it’s his to win. If he doesn’t lose it. And he has way more experience losing presidential primaries than winning. Being wishy-washy on the hyde amendment isn’t helping, for example.

His stock would go up if he came out and said the SJWs are ****ing crazy and that people should stop listening to them.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

To answer the question, the people who consume the left-most media are across the board left. When I say “left-most” media, I’m talking about individuals, not institutions. CNN is/was, for example, considered to be moderate in their hard news, but quite progressive in their opinion news.

Of course neither side is just one ideological monolith. I’m just saying that the press has an effect on people’s opinions, and it does not appear to me that the more liberal members of the press, which includes reportage from all the major networks/outlets, is all that supportive of Biden. If there is an establishment candidate they support it’s Harris. She could blow someone in the middle of Pennsylvania Ave, and then put a bullet in his head, and the media would spin it as heroic.

And, of course I would expect that the Democrats you know would tend to support Biden. High polling numbers mean something. And so do demographics. I work with mostly younger people. It’s across the spectrum but hardly anyone under 35 thinks much of Biden. I do think it’s his to win. If he doesn’t lose it. And he has way more experience losing presidential primaries than winning. Being wishy-washy on the hyde amendment isn’t helping, for example.

His stock would go up if he came out and said the SJWs are ****ing crazy and that people should stop listening to them.

Hard-left socialists don't consume mainstream media. They consume one-liners and misleading headlines from Twitter. Same with hard-right... they don't watch Fox News. They look at misleading headlines and tweets that tell them how to feel.

 

[Brad69]

Did any of the INGO political gurus discuss this Biden daily gaff?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ocratic-election-seattle-medina-a8981351.html

So let me understand this President Trump in the past 48 hrs has worked on trade deals with world leaders and walked on NK soil.
Biden makes fun of his target audience during that audiences pride month?
How does that get a person elected?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Did any of the INGO political gurus discuss this Biden daily gaff?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ocratic-election-seattle-medina-a8981351.html

So let me understand this President Trump in the past 48 hrs has worked on trade deals with world leaders and walked on NK soil.
Biden makes fun of his target audience during that audiences pride month?
How does that get a person elected?

I am not seeing the gaff. What is wrong with pointing out to a focus group that their agenda has been furthered significantly in a relatively short time?

These people are so hell-bent on being offended that they will consume their own.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Did any of the INGO political gurus discuss this Biden daily gaff?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ocratic-election-seattle-medina-a8981351.html

So let me understand this President Trump in the past 48 hrs has worked on trade deals with world leaders and walked on NK soil.
Biden makes fun of his target audience during that audiences pride month?
How does that get a person elected?

From the article: "He directly linked Mr Trump’s comments to an increase in antisemitism and hate crimes."

Like Omar, Tlaib, Smollett...?

 

[actaeon277]

From the article: "He directly linked Mr Trump’s comments to an increase in antisemitism and hate crimes."

Like Omar, Tlaib, Smollett...?

An increase on THEIR side is still an increase.
They just don't tell anyone that's the case.
You know, a lie by omission.

 

[T.Lex]

There is something that's been bothering me about the Dem position, that I haven't seen articulated critically. Maybe because it is doesn't really lend itself to soundbites. I apologize in advance that the tone of this post is more alarmist than usual, from me, but this idea has been incubating since the debates. And it hasn't gotten any more comfortable.

It starts with the idea of "medical care" as a human right. It isn't. In fact, that's kinda absurd. For as long as there has been medical care, the practitioners of it have special expertise. Care is rendered with the expectation of something in return. Might be chickens or a goat or fiat currency. Something. Part of that is because the acquisition of the expertise can be expensive, particularly in the modern era.

Medical care is a service rendered for price.

But, to me, this is linked to the "free college" promise. If the expertise to render medical care is devalued such that it costs nothing to obtain, then it creates an argument that it should not be charged for. That is, once the government provides the path to the expertise, then the government can control the "cost" of the service.

This free health care thing, philosophically, builds into it the nationalization of more than just the health care industry (and the resulting death knell for certain insurance services). Really, any professional service would count, since college is the typical path to all sorts of expertise.

So, this is a parade of horribles/slipper slope type thing. Yeah yeah yeah, other countries have socialized health care and it hasn't (yet) culminated in complete socialism.

It just seems remarkably lacking in self-awareness to have a national conversation about both sides - free college and free health care - without seeing how the 2 are linked.

 

[Expat]

I noticed that the other Dems and the media have failed to address the comment made by one of the unknown debaters down at the end of the line that said all of the hospitals he has talked to, said that if everyone was paying the Medicare rate they would have to close their doors.