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Socialist Joe Biden against Socialism
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...minance-tests-the-strength-of-democratic-left
Haven't we heard that somewhere before?
Socialist Joe Biden against Socialism
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...minance-tests-the-strength-of-democratic-left
"Democrat"?
It's like when they call anyone to the right of them "fascists"... it's wholly inaccurate.
Calling every Democrat a Socialist just doesn't fit... and dealing with a socialist should be a bit different than dealing with an everyday liberal.
It's the whole thing about considering all wrong-thinkers to be the worst thing you can think of, so you're justified in treating them like an enemy combatant or something.
All Socialists are Left, but not all Left are Socialists. We all should know that to be true, otherwise we aren't being serious.
While 77 percent of Democrats believe that the country would be “better off” if it were more socialist, overall a majority of voters don’t, by a margin of 51 percent to 45 percent, according to the latest Public Opinion Strategies survey.
The partisan gap on this question is more like a chasm. Democrats agree with the notion that the country would be better off if our political and economic systems were more socialist by a whopping 77 percent to 19 percent margin, while Republicans (14 percent to 83 percent) and Independents (37 percent to 56 percent) strongly disagree.
And these tend to just be Democrat policy points.
[I can't help but see this in the same light as past mistaken apologies for other ideologues - In the same vein as such errors as 'Arafat doesn't really want to kill all the Jews' or 'Rouhani is just saying that to appease hard liners, he doesn't mean it'. I think it is past time to take these people at their word, and if they don't wish to be viewed in such light they should make sure their ideals match their rhetoric. I think they absolutely will be willing to implement a socialist system. They will of course attempt to carve out exceptions for themselves as that is common to all socialist systems since the Bolsheviks. There is always a Nomenklatura, there is always cui bono]
If we want to have a conversation about "Does the Democrat party now only represent Socialist policies"... then we can have it... but I know it's not accurate. At least, not right now.
Even hard leftists like Pelosi seem to want nothing to do with the insanity that Cortez/Sanders represents. Clinton, Pelosi, etc... they like their money. They don't want Socialism. They may softball it here and there... but when it comes down to it, they want nothing to do with it.
I wouldn't call Clinton a socialist, I wouldn't call Trump a fascist... because they just aren't accurate terms. People use extreme labels like "Nazi" where it doesn't apply because it works at villianizing people they hate. "Nazi" is such a lazy one, anyway... it's just the middle school "worst thing ever", so it gets over-applied where it doesn't fit at all.
The media does this all the time... and I hate to see when "we" do it, too. It's not helping anything.
Bill de Blasio to announce presidential bid Thursday
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...l-77-dems-back-socialism-but-most-voters-dont
2020 poll: 77 percent of Democrats back socialism, but most voters don’t
I am cognizant of the many caveats here; such as exactly how the question was worded, how sampling was done and MoE - some of that is addressed in the article. I did not pull up the actual poll because it was not readily available, the link in the article only went to the front end. But, my God! Over 3/4 of Democrats think we'd be better off if we were more socialist!!! No conceivable MoE can sugar coat that, and i feel perfectly comfortable disputing your assertion 'Calling every Democrat a Socialist just doesn't fit..." I think it absolutely does fit and is a useful generalization
And, in summation, I think you are also naive in thinking that I am not justified in treating them like an enemy combatant. The naivete IMO centers around the failure to conclude that we absolutely are in an existential fight for the soul of what makes America America. The whole kumbaya, 'why can't we all just get along' rhetoric clouds the idea that they would like the federal government to have the power to broadly tell you how and what to think about a number of issues and have the power to enforce it
The way to change my (or anyone else's mind) about gays or illegals or the beta males is through discourse not constrained and watered down by speech police, safe spaces and mob shaming. And it requires one side of the debate to realize that they may not be able to change my mind, now or ever; and to accept that limitation rather than move to compel their version of right think
I find the argument that people who want socialist things are not necessarily 'real' socialists to be hair splitting, apologistic and frankly worthy of a Libertarian
How many Bolsheviks do you suppose really wanted the system they got? They just wanted their lot in life improved and didn't much care who got hurt in the process as long as it wasn't them, so they supported the putsch
Ignorance of the likely outcome does not provide absolution, "ignorantia legis neminem excusal" and it should hold true regarding the main chance of a persons actions. Don't play with fire and then expect sympathy when the house burns down
I only have, at most, a three bit grey scale
On the over/under number for SocialistDemocrat presidential candidates:
Since the Indianapolis 500 is only ten days away, perhaps an appropriate number of SD presidential candidates would be 33.
We could line line them up in pedal cars (no fossil fuel emissions) in eleven rows of three, and turn them loose hoping for a massive pileup in Turn 1.
Stacey Abrams on 2020 MSNBC: "I do believe I could enter the conversation as late as the fall and still have a chance to win."
Going to be hard to do since she claims to be Governor of Georgia.
Quick, call Johnny Nash!So in other words, you don't see things very clearly.
So in other words, you don't see things very clearly.
“I think you’re some kind of deviated prevert. I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts.”That still leaves six shades of grey! What do you want, fifty? Pervert