The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[Leadeye]

Reminds me of Dan Rather's story about President Bush in the Texas Air Guard. At the end of it all, it was fake news, and people rightly lost their jobs over it.

 

[nonobaddog]

If Trump finds out who wrote that, I support firing that person.

Yeah, I think that is a pretty safe bet.

 

[T.Lex]

Ah - Obama comes in to rescue Trump from the headlines, supported by the sycophantic press.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...-trump-a-symptom-not-the-cause-of-us-division

Trump is a symptom? Probably. But guess what, Obama, you paved the way for him! Sit down and STFU, again.

Someday I'd love for him to acknowledge that once he convinced the voting electorate that they could elect a charming neophyte to the presidency, then Trump's election became possible.

 

[actaeon277]

Ah - Obama comes in to rescue Trump from the headlines, supported by the sycophantic press.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...-trump-a-symptom-not-the-cause-of-us-division

Trump is a symptom? Probably. But guess what, Obama, you paved the way for him! Sit down and STFU, again.

Someday I'd love for him to acknowledge that once he convinced the voting electorate that they could elect a charming neophyte to the presidency, then Trump's election became possible.

I'd also like to point out, if people don't like someone like President Trump (or President Obama) running things, they should STOP giving that power to that position.

 

[printcraft]

Ah - Obama comes in to rescue Trump from the headlines, supported by the sycophantic press.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...-trump-a-symptom-not-the-cause-of-us-division

Trump is a symptom? Probably. But guess what, Obama, you paved the way for him! Sit down and STFU, again.

Someday I'd love for him to acknowledge that once he convinced the voting electorate that they could elect a charming neophyte to the presidency, then Trump's election became possible.

In a speech to students in Illinois he (barry) said the consequences of not voting against Republicans in November's mid-term elections would be dire for US democracy.

 

[T.Lex]

Ironically (or coincidentally), Obama and Trump's fearmongering use almost identical language.

 

[printcraft]

Ironically (or coincidentally), Obama and Trump's fearmongering use almost identical language.

Language is the same BUT with demoncrats getting in the seats of power it's true.

 

[nonobaddog]

Some of those dumocrap clowns should be held in contempt of Congress for their behavior.

 

[T.Lex]

Related question: would Trump be justified in starting a DOJ (or other LE agency) investigation into the source?

I'm not sure what laws have been broken with the op-ed.

Didn't take long:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45452960

US President Donald Trump has urged the justice department to investigate an anonymous New York Times article by an official in his administration.
He said Attorney General Jeff Sessions "should be investigating who the author of that piece was because I really believe it's national security".
Mr Trump also said he was considering taking action against the newspaper, causing its share price to dip.
But it is unclear what legal grounds any prosecutor could act on.

 

[KLB]

I'd also like to point out, if people don't like someone like President Trump (or President Obama) running things, they should STOP giving that power to that position.

 

[Trigger Time]

Or maybe it's another leaked fake story by the FBI to fool a judge and get a warrant?

 

[Hawkeye]

I'd also like to point out, if people don't like someone like President Trump (or President Obama) running things, they should STOP giving that power to that position.

What kind of sedition are you preaching here?


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[actaeon277]

What kind of sedition are you preaching here?


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Heinlein

 

[Hawkeye]

Heinlein

What did Robert Anson say about this?


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[actaeon277]

When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives.
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It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
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No statement should be believed because it is made by an authority
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.
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Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss.
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[actaeon277]

Reason is poor propaganda when opposed by the yammering, unceasing lies of shrewd and evil and self-serving men.

The capacity of the human mind for swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed.

It [now] seems to me that every time we manage to establish one freedom, they take another one away. Maybe two. And that seems to me characteristic of a society as it gets older, and more crowded, and higher taxes, and more laws. I would say that my position is not too far from that of Ayn Rand's; that I would like to see government reduced to no more than internal police and courts, external armed forces — with the other matters handled otherwise. I'm sick of the way government sticks its nose in everything, now.

The police of a state should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight, is the foundation of civil freedom.

 

[actaeon277]

Wong shook his head sadly. “I sometimes think that modern education is deliberately designed to handicap a boy.”

“What’s this about leaving your gun where the baby could reach it?”
Jim flushed. “It wasn’t charged, Dad.”
“If all the people who had been killed with unloaded guns were laid end to end it would make quite a line up. You are proud of being a licensed gun wearer, aren’t you?
“Uh, yes, sir.”
“And I’m proud to have you be one. It means you are a responsible, trusted adult. But when I sponsored you before the Council and stood up with you when you took your oath, I guaranteed that you would obey the regulations and follow the code, wholeheartedly and all the time—not just most of the time. Understand me?”
“Yes, sir. I think I do.”

Every law that was ever written opened up a new way to graft.

 

[actaeon277]

Nobody ever wins a lawsuit but the lawyers

My old man claimed that the more complicated the law the more opportunity for scoundrels.

Age is not an accomplishment, and youth is not a sin.I've heard all the usual Sweetness and Light that kids get pushed at them—how they should always forgive, how there’s some good in the worst of us, etc. But when I see a black widow, I step on it; I don’t plead with it to be a good little spider and please stop poisoning people. A black widow spider can’t help it—but that’s the point.

The best things in history are accomplished by people who get “tired of being shoved around.”

 

[Timjoebillybob]

How anybody expects a man to stay in business with every two-bit wowser in the country claiming a veto over what we can say and can't say and what we can show and what we can't show — it's enough to make you throw up. The whole principle is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak.

 

[actaeon277]