Submarine tour of the Titanic goes missing

[indyblue]

OceanGate CEO explains why he didn't want to hire '50-year-old White guys' to pilot subs

OceanGate Expeditions CEO Stockton Rush, who is onboard the missing Titan submersible, once explained in an interview why he didn't hire captains with military experience.

www.foxbusiness.com

"OceanGate Expeditions CEO Stockton Rush, who is aboard the missing submersible, once explained why he preferred not to hire "50-year-old White guys" with military experience to pilot his company's vessels. "

Wow..just wow. Is this some kind of joke?

Anyone can learn to operate a vessel from the instruction manual and probably do it ok. But pilots/captains don't become captains and pilots without the experience behind them. They are not hired to operate vessels when things are going right. They are hired (or should be) for their experience with the unexpected, unknown situations when things go wrong and has the ability to keep a cool head in the face of deadly situations.

 

[edporch]

OceanGate CEO explains why he didn't want to hire '50-year-old White guys' to pilot subs

OceanGate Expeditions CEO Stockton Rush, who is onboard the missing Titan submersible, once explained in an interview why he didn't hire captains with military experience.

www.foxbusiness.com

"OceanGate Expeditions CEO Stockton Rush, who is aboard the missing submersible, once explained why he preferred not to hire "50-year-old White guys" with military experience to pilot his company's vessels. "

I would guess there's not many "50 year old White guys" with military experience crazy enough to submerge in that deathtrap.

 

[actaeon277]

I would guess there's not many "50 year old White guys" with military experience crazy enough to submerge in that deathtrap.

Probably not a lot of any experienced people of ANY color. .

 

[actaeon277]

Well, since seeing the construction, I'll add electrocution to the list of possibilities.

Breathing generates moisture.
Anyone Wonder how well stuff is sealed up on the inside.
Amateurs might miss that

 

[cbhausen]

Well, since seeing the construction, I'll add electrocution to the list of possibilities.

Breathing generales moisture.
Anyone Wonder how well stuff is sealed up on the inside.
Amateurs might miss that

Like the Apollo 13 crew said because of the condensation floating around, “like driving a toaster through a car wash”.

 

[indyblue]

Well, since seeing the construction, I'll add electrocution to the list of possibilities.

Breathing generales moisture.
Anyone Wonder how well stuff is sealed up on the inside.
Amateurs might miss that

I’m sure their game controller has all the proper conformal coating’s and marine rated connectors.

 

[actaeon277]

And, electrical problems from not sealing things up, can do what to comms?

Anyone?

 

[cbhausen]

Did you all notice how the electrical cables going back to the propulsion units were routed inside fluid-filled clear vinyl tubing? Those cables would see the same pressure whether or not they were inside that clear tubing so I wonder why they did that? Despite the possibility OceanGate Titan may have failed catastrophically there is some interesting engineering on display throughout. I even saw a RAM Mount attached to the inner wall of the carbon fiber tube. I can’t believe they screwed into the carbon. Maybe there’s another liner inside that they used for attaching stuff like that and routing wires, etc. kind of like drywall over wall studs?

 

[tbhausen]

I would guess there's not many "50 year old White guys" with military experience crazy enough to submerge in that deathtrap.

BINGO

 

[actaeon277]

Also, that sub, well MOST subs shrink as they dive.
So, they take that into consideration.
Try to figure where it will affect things. Or is it (effect things)?


After yard work, we had to go through testing to check the sub out.
At different speeds and depths.
So, we're almost at Test Depth, and I try a bulkhead flapper.
This is like a valve, for the ventillation system. Isolates the compartment through the ventillation, just like shutting a hatch.
Well, the flapper only went half way.
Called Chief. He couldn't operate it.
Bring sub shallower, works okay.
Back down again.. nope.

Radio messages and phone calls.
Back in port, a laser shows the bulkhead was warped slightly.
As we dove, it moved a bit jamming the flapper.

During yard period, they had to cut thru that bulkhead to bring something in larger than the hatch.
When they welded it back together, there was stresses from uneven heating.
The radiation photos showed the welds were good.
But, that doesn't check heat induced stresses.
They had to recut, then put electric warmers on the ENTIRE bulkhead to even the stresses.
Then well.
Then radiography. Pictures of well using radioactive source and photo film.

Back to sea.
Everything okay.



Does that sound like the kind of thinking done around this Titanic sub?

 

[mark40sw]

Titanic sub went woke with staffing​

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I would guess there's not many "50 year old White guys" with military experience crazy enough to submerge in that deathtrap.

First thing I thought. PC veneer over the truth of "experienced guys won't work for me."

 

[tbhausen]

Also, that sub, well MOST subs shrink as they dive.
So, they take that into consideration.
Try to figure where it will affect things. Or is it (effect things)?


After yard work, we had to go through testing to check the sub out.
At different speeds and depths.
So, we're almost at Test Depth, and I try a bulkhead flapper.
This is like a valve, for the ventillation system. Isolates the compartment through the ventillation, just like shutting a hatch.
Well, the flapper only went half way.
Called Chief. He couldn't operate it.
Bring sub shallower, works okay.
Back down again.. nope.

Radio messages and phone calls.
Back in port, a laser shows the bulkhead was warped slightly.
As we dove, it moved a bit jamming the flapper.

During yard period, they had to cut thru that bulkhead to bring something in larger than the hatch.
When they welded it back together, there was stresses from uneven heating.
The radiation photos showed the welds were good.
But, that doesn't check heat induced stresses.
They had to recut, then put electric warmers on the ENTIRE bulkhead to even the stresses.
Then well.
Then radiography. Pictures of well using radioactive source and photo film.

Back to sea.
Everything okay.



Does that sound like the kind of thinking done around this Titanic sub?

Nope, and submarines operate how deep compared to this tourist submersible?

 

[Max Volume]

I'm going straight to hell.

 

[Jsomerset]

Next Up, Mike Rowe Was Over Heard On The Someone’s got to do it Set.
On becoming a Titanic Tour Guide.

#10-That Stupid Pigs Flying Thing.

#9-Duh

#8-Nope

#7-Not Happening

#6-Doesn’t Pay Enough

#5-Tech School Didn’t Offer That Course.

#4-Keeping Your Head Above Water Goes Together Like Peas and Carrots!

#3-When Rick Harrison Gets A Friend That Knows A lot About That.

#2-Stupid Is As Stupid Does!

And The

#1 Reason- Do I Look Retarded !

 

[actaeon277]

Nope, and submarines operate how deep compared to this tourist submersible?

How deep can a submarine dive? - Naval Post- Naval News and Information

The Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala incident raised the curiosity of people about the submarines' diving limits. In this article, we explained the depth limits of submarines.

navalpost.com

Naval subs test depths and crash depths are classified
Even after they are discontinued.
The above link has some . . guesstimates

A Los Angeles class (1970s - 90s) test depth estimated at 1,500 ft.
And crash depth (est) 2,500 ft
That's with HY80 steel.
More recent classes reported to use HY100, giving them more depth capability.


The deepest-diving large, military-style submarine was the Soviet submarine K-278 Komsomolets, with a hull made of, Titanium making it very expensive but able to withstand significantly deeper dives than the best subs made of high-grade steel, like American nuclear subs. The Komsomolets was a nuclear-powered submarine specially designed to make trips as far down as 1300 meters (4265 feet) below sea level.

Special-purposed subs can submerge much deeper. The US DSRV (Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle), built to rescue the survivors of a sunken submarine, has a test depth of 1,500m (5,000 ft), suggesting a maximum depth of 2,250–3,000m (7,500–10,000 ft).

A small sub, the bathyscaphe Trieste, made it to 10,916 meters (35,813 feet) below sea level in the deepest point in the ocean, the Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench, a few hundred miles east of the Philippines. This part of the ocean is 11,034 m (36,200 ft.) deep, so it seems that a sub can make it as deep as it’s theoretically possible to go.

 

[rob63]

In addition to the numerous other things already noted regarding the hiring practices, I was really struck by the CEO's comment that they were trying to utilize technologies from the aerospace industry instead of traditional marine environment tech. One doesn't need to be a genius to recognize that the engineering challenges associated with deep dives in the ocean are not the same ones encountered in the aerospace industry. In fact, they are literally opposites.

 

[Bugzilla]

One doesn't need to be a genius to recognize that the engineering challenges associated with deep dives in the ocean are not the same ones encountered in the aerospace industry. In fact, they are literally opposites.

I believe the Stockton Rush has just recently learned this.

 

[littletommy]

In addition to the numerous other things already noted regarding the hiring practices, I was really struck by the CEO's comment that they were trying to utilize technologies from the aerospace industry instead of traditional marine environment tech. One doesn't need to be a genius to recognize that the engineering challenges associated with deep dives in the ocean are not the same ones encountered in the aerospace industry. In fact, they are literally opposites.

I got the impression that he just wanted to be different for the sake of being different. Sure, try new things, but not when you’re selling seats to the general public, and not when you’re building a vehicle to go to a place that is arguably more difficult to do than putting a vehicle in space.

It’s mind boggling to me that anyone would be careless enough to knowingly take shortcuts and cheap out while building this contraption.

 

[DragonGunner]

A guy interviewed yesterday said at 10 a.m. British time today they would have ran out of oxygen. RIP.