Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Redhorse]

When I worked @ AM General during the Iraq war, we built a one off prototype that had some unique refinements done to it. Took about 3 months to get done. We shipped it out directly to SC and it was on a boat heading for the war zone. Government was anxious to try it out due to the IED losses happening. About 2 months later, I got called down to my bosses office (Manager of QC). He showed me a picture of our prototype unit with the front of it blowed all to he#$. I remember him saying "Back to the drawing board. "
We did the same thing, so don't act like it is special. As long as you got the prints, you can build another one. It is just time and $.

That's what I was wondering.

 

[BluePig]

I don't think we even charged them for that unit. We were trying to get better vehicles and testing in actual conditions was considered the best at the time. It lead us down a design path that helped develop up armored units that performed better.
It would have taken so much time and effort to get it thru the normal procedure, we would likely still be waiting today for it.

 

[qwerty]

This was not a battlefield issue at all. It appears the POWs were transported to a location where they were shot and looking at the color of the blood, most likely died. Transporting individuals for extermination is not a good look when throwing around the nazi/anti-nazi argument.

 

[Route 45]

Weren’t you lecturing people on Covid recently?

Not recently. Tired of wasting my time countering looney tunes. Still waiting on millions of bodies to start piling up because of the "poison" vaccine. Should be any day now, since 65% + are fully vaccinated. Maybe the Kraken will return and rapture those who didn't take the "chip."

But this is the Ukraine thread, so if you've still got Covid on the brain, go play in one of the many conspiratard threads dedicated to that topic.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Technically the majority of them are part of Territorial Defense Units, which have been loosely integrated into the Ukrainian armed services, so in theory they should be tied by the Geneva conventions.

I know @Brad69 covered it a while back, it's really not a very long checklist to be a lawful combatant under the Geneva Conventions. Blue or yellow armbands? Uniforms/unique insignia: check! Chain of command/reports to command authority: check! Reports to government authority: check!

In their one or two weeks of training I figure Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC) didn't come up. Responsibility comes with taking prisoners. In the situation like we see in the Ukraine? You can't take massive numbers of prisoners. Empty their pockets (gather Intel) and point them in the direction to start walking unless their uniform/insignia says they might know a bit more than an E-1 conscript. Take POWs and you have to feed them and give them medical care. Execute a bunch of E-1 conscripts? Well the other E-1 conscripts who come along later and see the bodies will be a bit more motivated to not be captured.

 

[oze]

The first really high performance computers I used as an undergrad still used punch cards

Handtrucks full of stacks of punch cards

The first stand-alone I ever programmed for was a PDP-11

you kids had it easy

Ah yes, the good old days! I took Fortran IV at Indiana State in 1978. You hauled a shoebox or two full of punch cards across campus, hoping it didn't rain and that you didn't trip and dump the cards all over the Quad. Then you dropped the cards off at the computer center and prayed to the IBM 360 to please compile your assignment; you usually found out in an hour or so. The business geeks taking COBOL were the ones wheeling hand trucks across campus with moving boxes full of punch cards. And they didn't learn the fate of their programs until the next day.

 

[Shadow01]

In case anyone has forgotten, war is brutal, the idea of being humanely treated as a pow is a fairy tale and the Ukrainians aren’t exactly the good guys (neither is Russia)


FCC

First rule of war, there are no rules. Winning is the goal at any cost. Winners make the rules when looking into “war crimes”.

 

[bobzilla]

Not recently. Tired of wasting my time countering looney tunes. Still waiting on millions of bodies to start piling up because of the "poison" vaccine. Should be any day now, since 65% + are fully vaccinated. Maybe the Kraken will return and rapture those who didn't take the "chip."

But this is the Ukraine thread, so if you've still got Covid on the brain, go play in one of the many conspiratard threads dedicated to that topic.

Could you possibly try any harder to call people names if you tried? Dude. Get a grip. Half the people you called names were looking for answers and not conspiracies, like myself. But you had to go off in everyone.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Not recently. Tired of wasting my time countering looney tunes. Still waiting on millions of bodies to start piling up because of the "poison" vaccine. Should be any day now, since 65% + are fully vaccinated. Maybe the Kraken will return and rapture those who didn't take the "chip."

But this is the Ukraine thread, so if you've still got Covid on the brain, go play in one of the many conspiratard threads dedicated to that topic.

My post wasn’t about Covid, it was about hypocrisy. Covid was just one of many examples, since it was the most recent I figured it would be the most likely to jog your memory. Obviously the point was lost on you tho

 

[KellyinAvon]

 

[Ark]

Not recently. Tired of wasting my time countering looney tunes. Still waiting on millions of bodies to start piling up because of the "poison" vaccine. Should be any day now, since 65% + are fully vaccinated. Maybe the Kraken will return and rapture those who didn't take the "chip."

But this is the Ukraine thread, so if you've still got Covid on the brain, go play in one of the many conspiratard threads dedicated to that topic.

Ed Dowd: "Millennial age group, 25 to 44 experienced an 84% increase in excess mortality"

"It’s the worst-ever excess mortality, I think, in history." Can you guess what caused it? I think I know...

stevekirsch.substack.com

Worst ever increase in mortality among young and healthy people exactly when they started being forced to take the shot not enough for you?

 

[Vodnik4]

I know @Brad69 covered it a while back, it's really not a very long checklist to be a lawful combatant under the Geneva Conventions. Blue or yellow armbands? Uniforms/unique insignia: check! Chain of command/reports to command authority: check! Reports to government authority: check!

In their one or two weeks of training I figure Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC) didn't come up. Responsibility comes with taking prisoners. In the situation like we see in the Ukraine? You can't take massive numbers of prisoners. Empty their pockets (gather Intel) and point them in the direction to start walking unless their uniform/insignia says they might know a bit more than an E-1 conscript. Take POWs and you have to feed them and give them medical care. Execute a bunch of E-1 conscripts? Well the other E-1 conscripts who come along later and see the bodies will be a bit more motivated to not be captured.

From a legal point, is this technically a war? Did Russia ever formally declare war on Ukraine, or is this still their “special operation “?
Ukrainians can declare it “counter-banditism operation”, consider all the foreign persons bearing arms on their territory as “Undefined criminal organizations”, and then what Geneva Convention? They were criminals resisting arrest by army units with temporary police powers.
International legal eagles, how would this work?

 

[DadSmith]

Ukrainian Army questioning captured wounded soldiers. Pretty graphic. They kneecap three prisoners exiting a van at the end. Think the mainstream media is going to show this?

https://files.catbox.moe/juxmpi.mp4

Are you 100% certain that is Ukraine military? How do you know? Also is it possible for those doing this to be militia, or foreign fighters?

There is so much propaganda coming out of this war I'm questioning everything seen.

 

[arty8]

Are you 100% certain that is Ukraine military? How do you know? Also is it possible for those doing this to be militia, or foreign fighters?

There is so much propaganda coming out of this war I'm questioning everything seen.

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Seems pretty legit

 

[ditcherman]

The people who mock prepping are almost always among the first casualties, one way or another

"Normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a cognitive bias which leads people to disbelieve or minimize threat warnings. Consequently, individuals underestimate the likelihood of a disaster, when it might affect them, and its potential adverse effects. The normalcy bias causes many people to not adequately prepare for natural disasters, market crashes, and calamities caused by human error."

Probably not gonna be popular, but whatever…
Don’t you think there is also a cost to the constant drumbeat of fear coming from every angle?
I get what you’re saying, we can’t live in denial, but how long, individually and as a society, can we go on with fearmongering done in the name of ulterior motives? There are surely large adverse affects, societally and individually, of over-preparation, don’t you think?

 

[actaeon277]

Probably not gonna be popular, but whatever…
Don’t you think there is also a cost to the constant drumbeat of fear coming from every angle?
I get what you’re saying, we can’t live in denial, but how long, individually and as a society, can we go on with fearmongering done in the name of ulterior motives? There are surely large adverse affects, societally and individually, of over-preparation, don’t you think?

Yes. But... you can read of actual disasters that have happened.

Heck, I lose power in my neighborhood several times a year.
Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours, sometimes days.
Yet, my neighbors will be commenting that I am "lucky" I have a generator.
No. I'm not "lucky".

 

[actaeon277]

 

[Tombs]

Are you 100% certain that is Ukraine military? How do you know? Also is it possible for those doing this to be militia, or foreign fighters?

There is so much propaganda coming out of this war I'm questioning everything seen.

Those POWs look consistent with what I've seen of the makeup of Russian forces.

Also the first guy looks like he'd been tortured for awhile to me. You don't get that big of a lip by bumping your head.

 

[KellyinAvon]

From a legal point, is this technically a war? Did Russia ever formally declare war on Ukraine, or is this still their “special operation “?
Ukrainians can declare it “counter-banditism operation”, consider all the foreign persons bearing arms on their territory as “Undefined criminal organizations”, and then what Geneva Convention? They were criminals resisting arrest by army units with temporary police powers.
International legal eagles, how would this work?

I can just speak from my point of view: Cold War through OEF/OIF. I don't look for this to come down to "who has the best lawyer" as to whether something is... I dunno, it's early.

 

[bobzilla]

Yes. But... you can read of actual disasters that have happened.

Heck, I lose power in my neighborhood several times a year.
Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours, sometimes days.
Yet, my neighbors will be commenting that I am "lucky" I have a generator.
No. I'm not "lucky".

My wife gets so mad at people that make those comments, like “must be nice to be able to do (insert thing here)”. Yeah it is and it didn’t happen overnight nor was it easy.