Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Keith_Indy]

Interesting if true, but if I were Ukraine I'd say the Russian intelligence leaks like a sieve...

Assassination Attempt On Zelensky Foiled After Tip-Off From Russian Spies, Ukrainian Official Claims

An assassination attempt on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was foiled and a Russian hit squad was “destroyed” after Ukrainians were tipped off by Russian spies, a Ukrainian official said Tuesday on Ukrainian television. Secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy...

www.dailywire.com

 

[Sylvain]

Will try to find the article, but one analysis was saying that Putin bit off more than he can chew.

The reason for this is Putin's prestige. In the past, when he's down in popularity he's invaded other countries.

Chechnya, Georgia, Syria - the size of the enemies were less than a million mostly because these are small countries. Syria is different because Russia was fighting insurgents/anti-government forces not Syria.

Ukraine is a 44 million people with a large army.

The lessons the Russian army learned in those 3 previous conflicts certainly didn't prepare them for where they are right now.

Another reason is that Putin wants to conquer Ukraine, not destroy it.
So he's just sending a few ground troops with armored vehicles, no heavy artillery or carpet bombing.

Ukraine is part of Russian cultural identify.
Similar culture, religion, history, a lot of Ukrainians speak Russian etc.

A bit like Austria was very close culturally to Germany during WW2 and the reason why Hitler wanted to annex it.

 

[KittySlayer]

You mean, people carry babies with a poopy diaper like they're a landmine...

Well you might not get poop on you carrying a messy baby at arms length but pretty sure that extra 18 inches of safe distance is not going to matter if the landmine goes off.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Another reason is that Putin wants to conquer Ukraine, not destroy it.
So he's just sending a few ground troops with armored vehicles, no heavy artillery or carpet bombing.

Ukraine is part of Russian cultural identify.
Similar culture, religion, history, a lot of Ukrainians speak Russian etc.

A bit like Austria was very close culturally to Germany during WW2 and the reason why Hitler wanted to annex it.

I agree with this, I wouldn't think Putin wants to destroy the infrastructure. He doesn't want to have to rebuild everything at least not yet.

I will say he would rather destroy everything before admitting any type of defeat though.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Well you might not get poop on you carrying a messy baby at arms length but pretty sure that extra 18 inches of safe distance is not going to matter if the landmine goes off.

If I'm carrying that mine I already have poop on me.

 

[actaeon277]

They didnt do very good in rural fighting in Afghanistan either…

City fighting is a meat grinder on any offensive.
Look at the Germans going into Russian cities.
Look at Americans going into French cities.

Cities offer cover, concealment, ambush points, observation points, lack of clear "line of sight", etc.

 

[actaeon277]

You would think military strategists would have targeted all air bases prior to sending ground troops. I know if you own the air, you generally fair much better on the ground... hence why our first goal is to demolish any Air Force bases with missiles before we roll in the tanks.

I’m wondering if Russia didn’t think this would be as easy as rolling in a few troops and tanks and Ukraine throwing up a white flag, because at the moment it doesn’t look like Russia is a world power, and they have the ability to demolish Ukraine if they wished.

I also think they might have been testing the waters to see the global reaction before really going full force. By sending in armored vehicles and infantry, they could easily pull out if Europe/US deployed to Ukraine... by sending missiles off the bat, that would’ve sparked a much more urgent response globally.

Regardless, he took advantage of western failures at the right moment, and it will only embolden other leaders that have been hesitant to make their move. This is only the beginning. China, your move.

You don't destroy something if:
You plan on rolling through so fast, that you need it more than you estimate the enemy can use it against you.
Object has a irreplaceable value.

 

[KG1]

Was the original video posting about the incident on Snake Island where the Ukrainian soldiers told the Russian navy vessel to **** off resulting in their heroic deaths accurate about their demise?

 

[Sylvain]

City fighting is a meat grinder on any offensive.
Look at the Germans going into Russian cities.
Look at Americans going into French cities.

Cities offer cover, concealment, ambush points, observation points, lack of clear "line of sight", etc.

And a lot of civilians in between fighters of each side.
Unless you army doesn't care about killing civilians you can't use your air force or artillery to clear a city held by an enemy force.

 

[actaeon277]

And a lot of civilians in between fighters of each side.
Unless you army doesn't care about killing civilians you can't use your air force or artillery to clear a city held by an enemy force.

Well, there's "care about killing civilians", and then there's "care about providing material to make the world turn against you".

 

[Cameramonkey]

And dont forget Russia isn’t exactly flush with cash. If they intend on keeping the territory as their own, they can’t just go scorched earth and build back better.

That’s probably another reason they are being cautious.

 

[nra4ever]

Propaganda or not.

Belarus dictator appeared to show Russian plans to invade Moldova

Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko appeared to broadcast a planned Russian invasion of Moldova during an address to his security council.

nypost.com

 

[worddoer]

Propaganda or not.

Belarus dictator appeared to show Russian plans to invade Moldova

Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko appeared to broadcast a planned Russian invasion of Moldova during an address to his security council.

nypost.com

So.....Is Putin attempting to re-create the USSR? Maybe. I have heard rumors (admittedly it's possibly propaganda) that Putin has some serious health issues that are either effecting his decision making abilities...OR...he wants to restore Russia to his perception of USSR glory before he passes since he could have something terminal. I really hope it's not that last one...as that gives him nothing to loose.

If he is trying to rebuild the USSR, what other countries would he need to invade? I don't recall all the parts of the world the USSR oppressed.

 

[rosejm]

City fighting is a meat grinder on any offensive.
Look at the Germans going into Russian cities.
Look at Americans going into French cities.

Cities offer cover, concealment, ambush points, observation points, lack of clear "line of sight", etc.

Had this forwarded to me a couple days ago, and it was a very worthwhile read. Offers insight to urban warfare from both defensive and offensive perspectives based on recent and past campaigns.

The Eight Rules of Urban Warfare and Why We Must Work to Change Them - Modern War Institute

From October 16, 2016 to January 4, 2017, US-backed Iraqi security forces conducted a full-scale city attack to liberate Mosul from the Islamic State. The operation was the largest conventional […]

mwi.usma.edu

 

[DadSmith]

‘Denazification,’ Putin style

It is even more perverse for Putin to justify a war of aggression through reference to Germany’s troubled and decades-long process of coming to terms with the Nazi past.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[Route 45]

Swedish defence minister calls Russian violation of airspace 'unacceptable'

Four Russian fighter jets briefly entered Swedish territory over the Baltic Sea on Wednesday, the Swedish Armed Forces said, sparking a swift condemnation from Sweden's defence minister.

www.reuters.com

 

[Leadeye]

City fighting is nasty
Russians should know this.

Rattenkrieg, bane of the 6th Army in Stalingrad.

 

[oze]

Rattenkrieg, bane of the 6th Army in Stalingrad.

"Rat War" I love those crazy Germans and their oh-so-descriptive language!

 

[Keith_Indy]

So.....Is Putin attempting to re-create the USSR? Maybe. I have heard rumors (admittedly it's possibly propaganda) that Putin has some serious health issues that are either effecting his decision making abilities...OR...he wants to restore Russia to his perception of USSR glory before he passes since he could have something terminal. I really hope it's not that last one...as that gives him nothing to loose.

If he is trying to rebuild the USSR, what other countries would he need to invade? I don't recall all the parts of the world the USSR oppressed.

USSR established | December 30, 1922 | HISTORY

The USSR, also known as the Soviet Union, was established in post‑revolutionary Russia. The USSR comprised a confederation of Russia, Belorussia, Ukraine, and the Transcaucasian Federation (divided in 1936 into the Georgian, Azerbaijan, and Armenian republics).

www.history.com

In post-revolutionary Russia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) is established, comprising a confederation of Russia, Belorussia, Ukraine and the Transcaucasian Federation (divided in 1936 into the Georgian, Azerbaijan and Armenian republics).

In the decades after it was established, the Russian-dominated Soviet Union grew into one of the world’s most powerful and influential states and eventually encompassed 15 republics—Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Belorussia, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. In 1991, the Soviet Union was dissolved following the collapse of its communist government.

 

[Kurr]