Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Shadow01]

They die.

Beyond the obvious

 

[Expat]

They just showed a group of Russian helicopters traveling and it looked like at least 2 got shot down. The new Stingers might have arrived.

 

[BugI02]

This guy I trust as much as I'm willing to trust anybody in the media

War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.

greenwald.substack.com

 

[Expat]

Oh, apparently Putin is going for Democrat support. They blew up some big monument.

 

[DragonGunner]

So there's this 40 mile long Russian convoy that's supposedly out of fuel and food that's just camping out in the Ukrainian countryside.

I take that to mean Russia has 100% control of the airspace. I also have to assume Ukrainian artillery ain't nothin to write home about.

For a country of that size, with a not so small military I kinda expected more. Even with a handful of drones they could make Saddam's Highway of Death look like the Yellow Brick Road.

"Don't shoot until you see the white of their eyes".......could be they are not in range of artillery, and why they have stopped.....could be Ukraine has points of contact and ambushes set up.....number of factors. Let the enemy come into your killing zone....don't blow your wad too soon....the deeper Russia gets....the longer travel time to get out, flank them......

 

[Ingomike]

How do we know that the people calling out people who put out disinformation aren't themselves putting out disinformation?

How do we know that the people calling out people calling out the people who put out disinformation about the disinformation aren't themselves putting out disinformation?

 

[BugI02]

Same source, which IMO is becoming one of the better alt-news sources

Why Wouldn’t the US Negotiate With Putin?

It’s of course possible that Vladimir Putin was always hell-bent on invading Ukraine, that his decision was taken months if not years ago, and that no diplomatic intervention would have made any difference. Yes, that is possible. But it is also the case that the only country capable of making

mtracey.substack.com

The contours of the ideological conflict between the US and Russia had thus shifted — no longer did it have anything remotely to do with capitalism versus communism. Rather, it pitted the US as the world’s leading steward of contemporary “liberal democracy” — a status temporarily imperiled by Russia subverting the US electoral system to install Donald Trump — versus Russia as the great nationalistic saboteur of “liberal democracy.”

If there is any “threat” that “Western” elites have been most exercised about for the past several years, it’s this supposed international surge of populist illiberalism and/or right-wing radicalism, and Putin was appointed as the main global exporter and string-puller. Which made it all the more untenable over the course of the latest Ukraine standoff for a Democratic Administration, especially one that campaigned on “confronting” Russia, to offer any significant concession to the world’s Number 1 progenitor of white supremacist extremism. You know, the same extremism that we are told nearly toppled the US Government on January 6.

 

[Ingomike]

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As opposed to Steve King??

This is why the whole things seems screwy. I don’t agree with Steven King on ANYTHING…

 

[BugI02]

How do we know that the people calling out people calling out the people who put out disinformation about the disinformation aren't themselves putting out disinformation?

 

[Ingomike]

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That should have been purple…

Done…

 

[Expat]

This guy I trust as much as I'm willing to trust anybody in the media

War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.

greenwald.substack.com

I have been reminded of when we were sort of pushed into the intervening on the side of the Bosnians by the media back almost 30 years ago.

 

[Keith_Indy]

"Don't shoot until you see the white of their eyes".......could be they are not in range of artillery, and why they have stopped.....could be Ukraine has points of contact and ambushes set up.....number of factors. Let the enemy come into your killing zone....don't blow your wad too soon....the deeper Russia gets....the longer travel time to get out, flank them......

The columns are already running dry, all you have to do at this point is hit the fuel supplies.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Beyond the obvious

Well that's the only way to be a martyr.

The Russian way is to just keep hitting in waves. Since they didn't walk in and take over, they will setup and pound locations. The longer it goes on more people will give up and leave. Military bases, Airstrips, hospitals, anti aircraft systems, try to cut off supplies. It's not a new strategy, it's what they do. I imagine Putin is fine with civilian casualties, especially ones that have taken up arms against them.

The only way it stops is if Putin is removed or Countries come to the aid of Ukraine. Putin absolutely doesn't care if he loses his troops along the way, mother Russia probably has double the troops of Ukraine.

 

[KG1]

We don't and won't until so far after the fact that 'At [that] point, what difference does it make'

Anyone claiming to know what's REALLY going on - including me - should be disregarded

So should the people claiming they don't know enough to make an informed decision, they never will within any time frame that matters. A seat on the fence looks like it should be more uncomfortable than it is

Shouldn't a seat on the fence be an option to those who aren't sure what's really going on. Seems to me that it would be better than lapping up all the disinformation from those who claim to "know".

 

[BugI02]

That would be fine as far as it goes. There needs to come a time, however, when a decision should be made even without perfect information

Have you heard the term 'analysis paralysis'

 

[Kurr]

 

[KittySlayer]

So are the columns of trucks running out of fuel because of the extended delays. Just like a kamikaze plane you would not fill it up for a round trip, simply enough fuel to get to your target. Delays occur and troops sit with their vehicles idling to stay warm and using up the cushion of fuel.

 

[Tombs]

That would be fine as far as it goes. There needs to come a time, however, when a decision should be made even without perfect information

Have you heard the term 'analysis paralysis'

Yes, the right course of action is political maneuvering that saves as many Ukrainian and Russian lives as possible, while not costing anyone else any lives.

And also not crippling our economy in the process, or future economic prospects with dumb actions like kicking Russia out of SWIFT.

 

[BugI02]

Or like the Soviet pilots never being allowed to take off with enough fuel to get them to the west? Not supplied with enough fuel to make a run for Poland to surrender/defect

I expect it is wishful thinking, though

 

[Tombs]

Or like the Soviet pilots never being allowed to take off with enough fuel to get them to the west? Not supplied with enough fuel to make a run for Poland to surrender/defect

I expect it is wishful thinking, though

How is that even possible?

We aren't talking about thousands of miles here. They're obviously expected to run sorties. They obviously need to RTB to rearm.

There's no way to only supply enough fuel for those things and not give them enough to flee to Poland.