New shoot the police law?More than a few agency's are revamping sop's since the new shoot the police law. It is probable that people in need will die over this. Right now a suicidal armed person that is barricaded and not threatening others is left to do whatever they decide. We are leaving. Just the way it is. Want to shoot yourself? Knock yourself out because I could care less.
You are going to see more and more agency's go to this line of thinking.
New shoot the police law?
AKA The castile doctrine AKA Defend against an unlawful intruder.
The poster just tried to give a bad connotation to the law.
I wondered if I was the only one that caught that BTW
More than a few agency's are revamping sop's since the new shoot the police law. It is probable that people in need will die over this. Right now a suicidal armed person that is barricaded and not threatening others is left to do whatever they decide. We are leaving. Just the way it is. Want to shoot yourself? Knock yourself out because I could care less.
You are going to see more and more agency's go to this line of thinking.
Sounds good!
Nope I caught it too. I am still waiting for the "blood in the streets" those that were against the law kept saying was going to happen . Hasn't happened yet. Just like I'm waiting for all the people who own firearms and carry them to suddenly start shooting people willy nilly as the gun control people said they would. That hasn't happened yet either.
So you're saying that if it's one of your loved ones that contemplating suicide, and your too far away to make a difference, you're simply going to hang up the phone (or they hang up on you), and go "oh well?"
I don't think anyone is going to say "oh well" if it were their family. I think it would be better for the police to try to talk the person out and get them help rather than breaking down the door, if possible. Try to use the negotiating skills first rather than the forcible entry skills right away.
So you're saying that if it's one of your loved ones that contemplating suicide, and your too far away to make a difference, you're simply going to hang up the phone (or they hang up on you), and go "oh well?"
More than a few agency's are revamping sop's since the new shoot the police law. It is probable that people in need will die over this. Right now a suicidal armed person that is barricaded and not threatening others is left to do whatever they decide. We are leaving. Just the way it is. Want to shoot yourself? Knock yourself out because I could care less.
You are going to see more and more agency's go to this line of thinking.
That is exactly what typically happens. I've had to force entry twice recently for a suicide and welfare check. On involved a 90 year old WWII vet who, when found, was on the brink of death, and had been laying in his own excrement for 2 days after falling in his basement. His son was too lazy to come check on his father, and lived minutes away.
The other involved a man who was estranged from his wife, who she suspected was going to kill himself. She told us the guy hated police and had a lot of guns, but she wanted "us" to go in and check on him. Due to [STRIKE]SB1[/STRIKE] THE 4th AMENDMENT, there was no way we were going to enter that home by breaking down a door. We made the wife respond and give us a key. The husband had changed the locks, that day, so we had to force entry. The guy was upstairs, and had expired due to sealing off an upstairs room, bringing a firepit inside, and lighting it (CO2 poisoning). We worked on the guy, vomit and all, but to no avail. I'm not sure if that hour we waited outside whould have made a difference, but it may have. The woman blamed us for not making entry prior to her arrival. And I spent the next 2 hours sitting next to an ambulance waiting for my CO2 levels to go down.
FIFY
Look a person wants to kill themselves, while tragic (sometimes) it's a personal decision. We may not agree with it or like it (sometimes) but that's just the way it is. Programs should be in place to help people but I just don't subscribe to the "we are going to help you even to the point of killing you or else" mentality.
As far as to your first example regarding the 90yr old. There should be options available for the elderly (kind of like life alert) that notify private agencies with standing agreements with medical agencies that are allowed (through virtue of this standing agreement or contract) to make entry.
I don't believe the answer is scrapping our Constitutionally protected rights in order to be more "protected" and to absolve us of the personal responsibility of doing whatever we can do protect or help ourselves first.
I would support a person killing themself just as long as it absolves public services from having to care for their body. If you neighbor kills himself, and stinks up the place, creating a serious health risk to you and your family, you will not have the ability to call police/fire/coroner to pick up and dispose of the body. Any grievance you may have, you will have to take up with the estate of the deceased. That makes sense right? This is the endgame you're suggesting.
I would support a person killing themself just as long as it absolves public services from having to care for their body. If you neighbor kills himself, and stinks up the place, creating a serious health risk to you and your family, you will not have the ability to call police/fire/coroner to pick up and dispose of the body. Any grievance you may have, you will have to take up with the estate of the deceased. That makes sense right? This is the endgame you're suggesting.
Is that how it works if someone does of a heart attack in their home?