No specific number yet. We'll know closer to time. It's looking like about 30-50 depending on how many people confirm yes.
No, I meant specific number to be deemed a parade ?
No specific number yet. We'll know closer to time. It's looking like about 30-50 depending on how many people confirm yes.
Yes, Ohio. And we're working with a guy who organized it and taking a lot of advice from him. He's also Ex-LEO with a lot of time under his belt.
I would. I would have no problem if I'm armed. Unarmed, I'd need to bring a friend...
No specific number yet. We'll know closer to time. It's looking like about 30-50 depending on how many people confirm yes.
I'm concerned they don't allow signs/flags for anything but an expensive permitted event. Sounds pretty anti-First amendment. I wonder the rationalization is for the rule?
Chances are we have sufficent evidence and planning to make sure this is NOT considered a parade.
The ordaninces are very clear what considers a parade and a permit. As long as we adhear to these rules we will not be required to disperse. This is why we are having an initial meeting with IMPD to clear up any confusion and keep them in the loop. We want to work with IMPD on this as closely as possible to avoid any issues with them and anyone else.
I'm concerned they don't allow signs/flags for anything but an expensive permitted event. Sounds pretty anti-First amendment. I wonder the rationalization is for the rule?
I'm concerned they don't allow signs/flags for anything but an expensive permitted event. Sounds pretty anti-First amendment. I wonder the rationalization is for the rule?
$$$$ and control
It's called "contingency planning." You plan for the things that you think are going to happen. Then you plan for the things that you don't expect, but wouldn't be surprised by them happening. Then you plan for the things that really would surprise you when they happen. Then you plan for the things that are so outrageous you hardly even consider the possibility.
And then, when reality persists on handing you things that aren't on any of these plans, you're more likely to be able to pull things out of the various plans to deal with it.
The definition of parade is in the City Code:
"Sec. 411-201. Definitions.
As used in this article, the following terms shall have the meanings
ascribed to them:
Director shall mean the director of the department of public safety.
Parade shall mean any parade, MARCH, ceremony, SHOW, EXHIBITION, pageant or procession of any kind, or rallies or DEMONSTRATIONS, or any SIMILAR DISPLAY, in or upon any street, park or other outdoor place owned or under the control of the city.
Parade permit shall mean the permit required by this article.
(Code 1975, § 21-18)"
Any of the above BOLD UNDELINED can be interpreted as "The Walk". specifically the last one.....SIMILAR DISPLAY, a "Walk" is a form of a March that is exactly how it will be defined by the Director of Public.Safety. I'll bet money one it.
Also type in Google search define march and you'll get as an example from wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn:
A procession of people walking together; "the march went up Fifth Avenue"
Maybe the thought should be entertained of having this on Private property and not on public.
I know it will not be as effective of being on the circle, BUT, getting the TV and Radio media there would still get the message out. Heck maybe even put a bug into Fox News's ear could possibly get airtime also.
As a side note, I think if a long walk is planned that it could turn into a potentially dangerous situation if the wrong things happen.
Believe in Murphy's Law, if it can go wrong it will, and we don't want anything to go wrong with 30-50 people walking along a long distance, and have something that could reach a boiling point in a hurry.
Make short, make sweet and direct to the point to not raise any public outcry.
DIVISION 2. PARADE PERMITS
Sec. 411-221. When required.
(a) Except as provided in subsection (b), no person shall engage in,
participate in, aid, form or start any parade, unless a parade permit
therefor has been obtained from the director as provided in this division.
(b) The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) Funeral processions;
(2) Lawful picketing in a labor dispute or orderly processions on the
sidewalks that do not violate the provisions of this Code or other city
ordinances;
(3) A governmental agency acting within the scope of its functions.
(Code 1975, § 21-32)
So other than the associated permits and fees, if you believe in this wholeheartedly, pay up and make it a march so you can tote signs, banners, wear matching shirts to get your message across? The way I see it, no one will get the point other than "Because I can" unless one of you are asked directly about what you are doing.I understand your concern about the definition of parade, but as was discussed at length at the meeting...
As you can see, if you read the code carefully, as long as we have no animals or vehicles FOLLOWING us, and we do not use the streets, we are not anything but an orderly procession on the sidewalk that will not violate the provisions of the code.
That is our angle and it's plain and clear. We do not require a permit.
To address your concern of Public or private, that would defeat the whole purpose. It's ok to carry anything on private property that is yours or you have permission to be on. Most people do not know it's legal to openly carry in public. Some don't even know it's legal to carry at all unless you're a police officer.
That is part of the point.
I love murphy's law because it's not true. People could have taken over the Tea Party with guns and mass murdered everyone there. It didn't happen. ACORN could have invaded the Tea Party and over shouted, over ran the crowd. They did not.
Do not dwell on the negitives. Prepare for them, but do not dwell on them. That will be the downfall of ANYTHING.
So other than the associated permits and fees, if you believe in this wholeheartedly, pay up and make it a march so you can tote signs, banners, wear matching shirts to get your message across? The way I see it, no one will get the point other than "Because I can" unless one of you are asked directly about what you are doing.
So other than the associated permits and fees, if you believe in this wholeheartedly, pay up and make it a march so you can tote signs, banners, wear matching shirts to get your message across? The way I see it, no one will get the point other than "Because I can" unless one of you are asked directly about what you are doing.
IF, I were attending and wanted so much for this to go off without a hitch, then yes, I would be willing to a portion of the funds. Don't get me wrong, I hope all goes well at the "walk" but see no point in trying to skirt the local laws regarding this type of event.So are you volunteering to donate funds for this then?
So other than the associated permits and fees, if you believe in this wholeheartedly, pay up and make it a march so you can tote signs, banners, wear matching shirts to get your message across? The way I see it, no one will get the point other than "Because I can" unless one of you are asked directly about what you are doing.
What education are you going to give them? I think the points of the event are becoming blurred. Is it public education? Is it showing the politicians that you enjoy and will exercise your rights? Is it the fact that "open carry" is allowed in Indiana? See what I am getting at?Perhaps you can donate to the cause .
Either way, public education is the point.