NRA Supports Bump Stock Regulation

[actaeon277]

[video=youtube;ffI-tWh37UY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY[/video]

 

[churchmouse]

I understand. But when someone uses an insult, to me that means they have lost the argument.

It does absolutely no good to argue with her. I would not even try. She makes zero sense on any topic.

I see your point and yes it is childish to insult but there is an inner child in us all.

 

[actaeon277]

My inner child wants pizza.

Thank goodness it's already on order.

 

[churchmouse]

My inner child wants pizza.

Thank goodness it's already on order.

 

[actaeon277]

come on over

 

[churchmouse]

come on over

Just had dinner or I would be rolling north....see you in 3.............hours.....

 

[jamil]

It's conceivable someone somewhere with a disarm America agenda would, but it's not credible that it would be enforced. I'll preempt the question asking if it will require Jerry Miculek's fingers being amputated, or at the least declared NFA Class 3 with a choice of serial numbering and paying a tax stamp or amputating them and sending them to the BATF. Clearly absurd. These are imagination run wild "slippery slope fallacy" arguments.

John

Not all "slippery slope" arguments are fallacies. The thing that makes it a fallacy is that you can't show a causal relationship in your argument. So, if a law is vague enough, is it reasonable to suspect that how it's interpreted will depend on who is interpreting it, including their personal biases. Courts are stacked for a reason. If you're going to agree that "This will never pass the litmus test. Any good attorney would have a hay day with this," then you've already conceded a causal relationship for concern about a slippery slope.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Or, I could debunk your assertion that these are examples of "right wing" political violence.

Charlottesville - Motive isn't known. For all you know, the guy was driving home and went down the wrong street, his car was attacked, and he panicked. He may have been right wing, and/or he may have been a white supremacist, but no one knows yet if he purposely ran people down because of that. And, I'm sure you know but plenty of white supremacists are leftists.

Caughman - Stabbed because he was black, no other motive. That's a hate crime, not political violence.

Portland - Again, another hate crime, anti-Muslim. If you want to classify any individual hate crimes against minorities as political, that's fine. But to be consistent, we would need to classify any minority crime against whites the same way. But I personally wouldn't, and I hope you're not trying to say that all minorities are left wing and all whites are right wing.

I think you're obfuscating the issue though. You're lumping racial motives in with political motives, when you don't even know the political affiliation or political motives of any of the three people you mentioned.

No, this is simply called intellectual dishonesty.

 

[jamil]

The Charlottesville car ramming, the stabbing of Tim Caughman, and the Portland Train Attack. You owe me 300 counterexamples to make you 99% claim true. Since I don't want you to work endlessly trying to find something there is a high likelihood of you NOT finding, I will accept 25 individual instances since Jan 1st.

I don't think it's worth arguing that the left or the right is more prone to violence than the other. But the Portland guy wasn't right wing. It was reported that way initially, but according to his social media they got that way wrong.

 

[Liberty1916]

No, this is simply called intellectual dishonesty.

If you can't refute my analysis, and want to conflate racially motivated violence with political violence, that's your call. Most people don't see everything through the prism of race though and are capable of distinguishing the difference between them.

 

[tbhausen]

Rolicy about-face:

“As the public face of internet gun sales, GunBroker.com works closely with the NRA, NSSF, and other industry organizations on matters of public policy. Initial reaction from the industry was that support of bump stocks was PR disaster. However, the industry and NRA have softened their stance and asked regulators and Congress to make a decision as to whether or not these items are legal. As a result we have changed our position to allow the items to be sold as long as they are sold in full compliance with state and local laws.

As a seller you should be aware that bump stocks / slide stocks are not firearms and are almost certainly not protected by the Protection in Lawful Commerce of Arms Act (PLCAA). This means that if you choose to sell these items and get sued over their use or misuse, you will not have the PLCAA to protect you.

Be aware that bump stocks / slide stocks may not be legal in every state and we have not been able to fully assess what jurisdictions in which they may be outlawed. It would be wise to research the local in state laws into which you intend to ship these items to avoid entering into an illegal transaction.

Thank you,
The Management of GunBroker.com”

 

[actaeon277]

Rolicy about-face:

“As the public face of internet gun sales, GunBroker.com works closely with the NRA, NSSF, and other industry organizations on matters of public policy. Initial reaction from the industry was that support of bump stocks was PR disaster. However, the industry and NRA have softened their stance and asked regulators and Congress to make a decision as to whether or not these items are legal. As a result we have changed our position to allow the items to be sold as long as they are sold in full compliance with state and local laws.

As a seller you should be aware that bump stocks / slide stocks are not firearms and are almost certainly not protected by the Protection in Lawful Commerce of Arms Act (PLCAA). This means that if you choose to sell these items and get sued over their use or misuse, you will not have the PLCAA to protect you.

Be aware that bump stocks / slide stocks may not be legal in every state and we have not been able to fully assess what jurisdictions in which they may be outlawed. It would be wise to research the local in state laws into which you intend to ship these items to avoid entering into an illegal transaction.

Thank you,
The Management of GunBroker.com”

bump stocks / slide stocks are not firearms and are almost certainly not protected by the Protection in Lawful Commerce of Arms Act (PLCAA
"Almost certainly".

I think I'd want a ruling from someone a little more authoritative.
Cause if it's true, then can't the anti-gun industry just start suing people for using gun stocks and flood the industry, like they did years ago?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

bump stocks / slide stocks are not firearms and are almost certainly not protected by the Protection in Lawful Commerce of Arms Act (PLCAA
"Almost certainly".

I think I'd want a ruling from someone a little more authoritative.
Cause if it's true, then can't the anti-gun industry just start suing people for using gun stocks and flood the industry, like they did years ago?

Probably saying that because of there are no settled cases dictating their inclusion or not.

 

[actaeon277]

Probably saying that because of there are no settled cases dictating their inclusion or not.

To me, it's like saying a steering wheel is not a car..

 

[tbhausen]

How much risk do any of you lawyers here believe sellers may assume?

 

[actaeon277]

How much risk do any of you lawyers here believe sellers may assume?

Individually, none. We don't have money.
But I remember the City of Gary going after a bunch of dealers. And a few of them went out of business.

 

[Liberty1916]

I don't think it's worth arguing that the left or the right is more prone to violence than the other. But the Portland guy wasn't right wing. It was reported that way initially, but according to his social media they got that way wrong.

I looked into that a little further after reading your post because I didn't know much about it and assumed the attacker only had a racial motive.

A post from Jeremy Christian's facebook - ""Bernie Sanders was the President I wanted" And there are plenty more than that. "Sanders/Stein 2017!!!" etc.

After just a couple minutes of reading some of his posts, he's clearly a lunatic regardless of his political affiliations, which are clearly left wing fascist/socialist.

That pretty much nails the coffin shut on Kutnupe's assertions and we can now add one of his own examples to the left wing violence column.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't think it's worth arguing that the left or the right is more prone to violence than the other. But the Portland guy wasn't right wing. It was reported that way initially, but according to his social media they got that way wrong.

Was would you call it then?

“Death to the enemies of America. Leave this country if you hate our freedom," he yelled. "Death to antifa! (anti-fascism). You call it terrorism. I call it patriotism!

“If Donald Trump is the Next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question. All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ's teaching of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!! Does this make me a fascist!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/30/portland-train-stabbing-suspect/353963001/
Police investigating MAX stabbing suspect's 'extremist ideology' | KGW.com

 

[Kutnupe14]

If you can't refute my analysis, and want to conflate racially motivated violence with political violence, that's your call. Most people don't see everything through the prism of race though and are capable of distinguishing the difference between them.

There's no need to try and refute your analysis because it's not an honest look at the issue. Everything that is considered right-wing violence, you simply ignore. A guy runs over people in Charlottesville - that's not right-wing violence. Some guys plan to blow up an apartment building full of Somalis -that's not right wing violence. A guy stabs Muslims and voices his support of America Patriotism and Donald Trump -that's not right wing violence. A person attacks a planned parenthood location -that's not right wing violence. Guy shoots up Shik temple -that's not right wing violence either.
It always the same... whenever there actually is right-wing violence, people try dismiss it as "left-wing," or they say the views aren't consistent with right-wing ideology. It's plainly intellectually dishonest. Here's the better question, can you name an instance of what you would consider right-wing violence?

 

[Liberty1916]

Was would you call it then?




[/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/30/portland-train-stabbing-suspect/353963001/
Police investigating MAX stabbing suspect's 'extremist ideology' | KGW.com

Fascism. He was a whackjob but clearly had fascist/socialist ideology, which is obviously left wing. "Bernie Sanders was the President I wanted" said no right wing person ever.