New Procedures at huntington bank

[ramick]

I think its time some body creates INGO credit union.

 

[tskin]

I'd have walked out to my truck & put my gun up. I'd have gone back in & gotten payoff quotes for any open loans with them. I'd have closed out my couple of savings accounts & taken all but enough cash out of the checking account to cover any outstanding checks. I'd have gone to the branch manager's office & let them know exactly what I was doing & why. I'd have told them that my loans would be paid off by the end of the week & they can bet their sweet ass everyone I knew that banks there would know about what happened & that my body would never darken one of their doors again - EVER!

 

[perminator]

My bank has those double maglocked doors with a metal detector also its a real pain to do deal with i see painters all the time getting trapped in there because they have a 5 in 1 in their pocket. i just happened to be there when the guy was programming and adjusting the machine he said they work off of the density or amount of the metal passing through.

 

[SgtChromeDome]

Wow, it's becoming pretty obvious that no one here has ever actually been to a bank within minutes of a robbery, or knows anyone who works in a bank. I have, and the employees are often terrified to the point of hysterics. They've just had guns pointed at their heads by some thug screaming at them, and for what, minimum wage? The employees are predominantly women, sometimes pregnant, and unarmed. With worker's comp statutes in place, the banks have to provide counseling assistance to their employees in dealing with the psychological trauma that often results from robberies, including lost man-hours since the employees go to the counseling on-the-clock. Add to that the fact that many employees never come back to work afterward, and the banks have to pay to continually train new employees to keep up with the accelerated attrition, and you begin to get the picture. If the bank's security procedures are effective enough to keep your gun outside, doesn't it stand to reason they'll catch the bad guys' weapons too? Really guys, giving up your weapon for a brief period for the sake of someone else's peace of mind doesn't have to emasculate you. If having your gun with you every waking moment is more important than the safety of the bank's vulnerable employees, then they probably won't miss you if you pull your accounts.

 

[Boilers]

Wow, it's becoming pretty obvious that no one here has ever actually been to a bank within minutes of a robbery, or knows anyone who works in a bank. I have, and the employees are often terrified to the point of hysterics. They've just had guns pointed at their heads by some thug screaming at them, and for what, minimum wage? The employees are predominantly women, sometimes pregnant, and unarmed. With worker's comp statutes in place, the banks have to provide counseling assistance to their employees in dealing with the psychological trauma that often results from robberies, including lost man-hours since the employees go to the counseling on-the-clock. Add to that the fact that many employees never come back to work afterward, and the banks have to pay to continually train new employees to keep up with the accelerated attrition, and you begin to get the picture. If the bank's security procedures are effective enough to keep your gun outside, doesn't it stand to reason they'll catch the bad guys' weapons too? Really guys, giving up your weapon for a brief period for the sake of someone else's peace of mind doesn't have to emasculate you. If having your gun with you every waking moment is more important than the safety of the bank's vulnerable employees, then they probably won't miss you if you pull your accounts.

Sounds like perfect reasoning to me to require all bank employees to be issued, trained with and carry firearms. Instead of the opposite of banning that which could stop the whole rob a bank nonsense.

 

[singlestacksig]

Wow, it's becoming pretty obvious that no one here has ever actually been to a bank within minutes of a robbery, or knows anyone who works in a bank. I have, and the employees are often terrified to the point of hysterics. They've just had guns pointed at their heads by some thug screaming at them, and for what, minimum wage? The employees are predominantly women, sometimes pregnant, and unarmed. With worker's comp statutes in place, the banks have to provide counseling assistance to their employees in dealing with the psychological trauma that often results from robberies, including lost man-hours since the employees go to the counseling on-the-clock. Add to that the fact that many employees never come back to work afterward, and the banks have to pay to continually train new employees to keep up with the accelerated attrition, and you begin to get the picture. If the bank's security procedures are effective enough to keep your gun outside, doesn't it stand to reason they'll catch the bad guys' weapons too? Really guys, giving up your weapon for a brief period for the sake of someone else's peace of mind doesn't have to emasculate you. If having your gun with you every waking moment is more important than the safety of the bank's vulnerable employees, then they probably won't miss you if you pull your accounts.

& clearly you have never known anyone kidnapped on their way to a bank to make a deposit....?

just because a bank does a poor job of training their people n how to handle a high stress situation does not gie them the right to confine a customer against their will for something that is possibly only treaspass...
If a bank is dumb enough to put in those traps , I would close my accounts and inform them why..

if you have a loan that requires you to keep a checking account, keep it with only the bare min. amount in it and only direct deposit $1 a month into it, then take it right back out.. Do not use a debit card or credit card with that bank.
when they send you offers , decline them and inform them why..

if i ever get trapped in one of those door traps i Indian, i will call 911 and say I am at bank XYZ and am being held against my will.. then hang up.. & wait for the fun.. then call a lawyer and sue the bank...

 

[edsinger]

I hate large banks......

 

[jeremy]

Wow, it's becoming pretty obvious that no one here has ever actually been to a bank within minutes of a robbery, or knows anyone who works in a bank. I have, and the employees are often terrified to the point of hysterics. They've just had guns pointed at their heads by some thug screaming at them, and for what, minimum wage? The employees are predominantly women, sometimes pregnant, and unarmed. With worker's comp statutes in place, the banks have to provide counseling assistance to their employees in dealing with the psychological trauma that often results from robberies, including lost man-hours since the employees go to the counseling on-the-clock. Add to that the fact that many employees never come back to work afterward, and the banks have to pay to continually train new employees to keep up with the accelerated attrition, and you begin to get the picture. If the bank's security procedures are effective enough to keep your gun outside, doesn't it stand to reason they'll catch the bad guys' weapons too? Really guys, giving up your weapon for a brief period for the sake of someone else's peace of mind doesn't have to emasculate you. If having your gun with you every waking moment is more important than the safety of the bank's vulnerable employees, then they probably won't miss you if you pull your accounts.

If the bank can guarantee my safety from my parked car to the bank and back, I'll leave it in the car...

 

[sloughfoot]

Matter of fact, you can drive to the bank armed anyway you want to be. Upon arrival, call the bank and the Security dude will escort you from your car into the bank. Or use the drive up window.

Anyone getting stuck between the doors because they are armed, that think they have something on the bank, better think again. If you refuse to leave when security gives you that option, better be ready to be relieved of your firearm by the Po-Po when they arrive on a MWG refusing to leave call from the bank. The Feds could even be part of the responding crew as part of a bank robbery task force. They have no sense of humor regarding this issue. It won't be pleasant for you and the minimum charge will be disorderly conduct. You could be charged with any number of felonies.

This is serious **** guys. Don't do something that will haunt you for years.

Regards

 

[finity]

Anyone getting stuck between the doors because they are armed, that think they have something on the bank, better think again. If you refuse to leave when security gives you that option, better be ready to be relieved of your firearm by the Po-Po when they arrive on a MWG refusing to leave call from the bank. The Feds could even be part of the responding crew as part of a bank robbery task force. They have no sense of humor regarding this issue. It won't be pleasant for you and the minimum charge will be disorderly conduct.

Actually the minimum (& probably maximum) would be trespassing.

You could be charged with any number of felonies.

Exactly what felonies would those be?

There was no threat or pointing of a gun. There was no crime committed. There would be no felonies.

I think the people who had stated that they would call the police & possibly sue were referring to the situation that they were held against their will & not released because they were legally carrying a gun.

 

[singlestacksig]

Matter of fact, you can drive to the bank armed anyway you want to be. Upon arrival, call the bank and the Security dude will escort you from your car into the bank. Or use the drive up window.

Anyone getting stuck between the doors because they are armed, that think they have something on the bank, better think again. If you refuse to leave when security gives you that option, better be ready to be relieved of your firearm by the Po-Po when they arrive on a MWG refusing to leave call from the bank. The Feds could even be part of the responding crew as part of a bank robbery task force. They have no sense of humor regarding this issue. It won't be pleasant for you and the minimum charge will be disorderly conduct. You could be charged with any number of felonies.

This is serious **** guys. Don't do something that will haunt you for years.

Regards

I don't think anyone has a problem leaving when asked,,
the problem is they lock both sets of doors, and keep someone there while they question them..
That is not allowed ..
if they don't want someone to carry fine, lock the door and let the person leave..
but trapping a person who has not commited a felony is not allowed and someone would have a case..

 

[bigus_D]

+1 on the "don't try to fight this unless you are willing to go all the way... to jail and then court."

-1 on the "banks don't have the right to stop you in the air lock." it is nice that the outside door closes and locks ( i certainly don't want to be standing in the "air lock" while an armed criminal enters) . It is nice that they have a system to prevent a gun from entering. they should have every right to do this. They don't call LEO unless you demand entry or otherwise create a disturbance. They will let you out as soon as your business has been determined, and this doesn't take long. certainly no undue inconvenience IMHO. I mean... there IS a sign after-all.

+1 I would take my business elsewhere. If they have THAT much trouble with crime IN THE BANK, I don't want to go there anyway.

 

[bigus_D]

if they don't want someone to carry fine, lock the door and let the person leave..
but trapping a person who has not commited a felony is not allowed and someone would have a case..

I've not experienced this... but I expect if you said "LET ME OUT... NOW" they would open the door and you would be free. Probably if you just turned around and tried to open the door, they would open it. At minimum, they would say, umm... can we help you, and when you said "no" they would open it.

I assert my opinion as fact that they ARE NOT TRAPPING YOU. (by the legal definition of trapping and/or as would be found in the court of law)

 

[Pull Trigger Goes Bang]

+1 on the "don't try to fight this unless you are willing to go all the way... to jail and then court."

-1 on the "banks don't have the right to stop you in the air lock." it is nice that the outside door closes and locks ( i certainly don't want to be standing in the "air lock" while an armed criminal enters) . It is nice that they have a system to prevent a gun from entering. they should have every right to do this. They don't call LEO unless you demand entry or otherwise create a disturbance. They will let you out as soon as your business has been determined, and this doesn't take long. certainly no undue inconvenience IMHO. I mean... there IS a sign after-all.

+1 I would take my business elsewhere. If they have THAT much trouble with crime IN THE BANK, I don't want to go there anyway.

-1,000,000 on the idea that banks have the right to trap you in the airlock for however long it takes them to determine your business. If there was a big PUSH TO EXIT lever on the inside of the outer door, then you aren't trapped and the bank is on firm ground doing whatever it wants with the inner door (including telling you to go away if you won't answer their questions). If there isn't a way to open the outer door, then the bank has committed Criminal Confinement (IC 35-42-3-3), a Class D Felony.

Nobody should do business with this bank, but the remedy for persistently committing Criminal Confinement should not be loss of business, but the arrest of the perpetrator(s): the persons at the bank who control that door.

 

[bigus_D]

If there isn't a way to open the outer door, then the bank has committed Criminal Confinement (IC 35-42-3-3), a Class D Felony.

Nobody should do business with this bank...

You may very well be right regarding the Indiana Code... but I already asserted my opinion as fact that this was not the case... case closed.

Seriously though, I believe attempting to assert the code violation cited, seeking criminal punishment for 'whomever' at the bank would result in your own arrest for trespass due to violation of the bank's clearly posted policy regarding guns in their bank.

p.s. again aware that my opinion is most likely not that of the majority of readership.

p.s.s. the 'push here to exit' bar makes sense to me. that WOULD be more appropriate.

 

[singlestacksig]

You may very well be right regarding the Indiana Code... but I already asserted my opinion as fact that this was not the case... case closed.

Seriously though, I believe attempting to assert the code violation cited, seeking criminal punishment for 'whomever' at the bank would result in your own arrest for trespass due to violation of the bank's clearly posted policy regarding guns in their bank.

p.s. again aware that my opinion is most likely not that of the majority of readership.

p.s.s. the 'push here to exit' bar makes sense to me. that WOULD be more appropriate.

trespass would only happen if the person refuses to leave when asked..
Misdemeanor trespass vs. Felony confinement .....

 

[bigus_D]

trespass would only happen if the person refuses to leave when asked..
Misdemeanor trespass vs. Felony confinement .....

In similar terms, confinement only happens if a person refuses to let you leave when asked. I know this is different, but for instance... come to my house, and I lock the door (like I always do). you try to leave and can't figure out how to unlock my door (it is old and hard to unlock).

I unlock it... no problem.

I don't... criminal confinement.

No?

 

[Pull Trigger Goes Bang]

In similar terms, confinement only happens if a person refuses to let you leave when asked. I know this is different, but for instance... come to my house, and I lock the door (like I always do). you try to leave and can't figure out how to unlock my door (it is old and hard to unlock).

I unlock it... no problem.

I don't... criminal confinement.

No?

Criminal confinement happens when the elements of this law are met:

IC 35-42-3-1
Definition
Sec. 1. As used in this chapter, "confine" means to substantially interfere with the liberty of a person.
As added by Acts 1976, P.L.148, SEC.2. Amended by Acts 1977, P.L.340, SEC.33.

[...]

IC 35-42-3-3
Criminal confinement
Sec. 3. (a) A person who knowingly or intentionally:
(1) confines another person without the other person's consent; or
(2) removes another person, by fraud, enticement, force, or threat of force, from one (1) place to another;
commits criminal confinement. Except as provided in subsection (b), the offense of criminal confinement is a Class D felony.
(b) The offense of criminal confinement defined in subsection (a) is:
(1) a Class C felony if:
(A) the person confined or removed is less than fourteen (14) years of age and is not the confining or removing person's child;
(B) it is committed by using a vehicle; or
(C) it results in bodily injury to a person othewr than the confining or removing person; and (2) a Class B felony if it:
(A) is committed while armed with a deadly weapon;
(B) results in serious bodily injury to a person other than the confining or removing person; or
(C) is committed on an aircraft.
As added by Acts 1976, P.L.148, SEC.2. Amended by Acts 1977, P.L.340, SEC.35; Acts 1979, P.L.299, SEC.1; P.L.183-1984, SEC.2; P.L.278-1985, SEC.8; P.L.49-1989, SEC.21; P.L.59-2002, SEC.2; P.L.70-2006, SEC.1.

A person who knowingly or intentionally confines another person without the other person's consent has committed criminal confinement. Making me stand in your airlock while you question me sounds like a confinement under the law, and I have certainly not consented.

There is nothing in this law that makes confining people until they complain legal. You need to get their consent first.

 

[tskin]

I say pull your gun out & shoot your way out. See how they freaking like that. haha (not serious guys, it's a joke).

 

[singlestacksig]

In similar terms, confinement only happens if a person refuses to let you leave when asked. I know this is different, but for instance... come to my house, and I lock the door (like I always do). you try to leave and can't figure out how to unlock my door (it is old and hard to unlock).

I unlock it... no problem.

I don't... criminal confinement.

No?

Did you construct your door in such a way that it intends to trap a person ??