New Procedures at huntington bank

[bigus_D]

So... I still think I'm right (i mean I did assert my opinion as fact after all). But I will definitely conceed defeat once one of you goes ahead and proves you are correct. Go ahead, go to the bank and see how your theory of the law proves out. Call the cops and make a citizen's arrest for criminal confinement.

Good luck!

 

[singlestacksig]

So... I still think I'm right (i mean I did assert my opinion as fact after all). But I will definitely conceed defeat once one of you goes ahead and proves you are correct. Go ahead, go to the bank and see how your theory of the law proves out. Call the cops and make a citizen's arrest for criminal confinement.

Good luck!

it would be criminal complaint, not a citizens arrest. And theen followed by a civil lawsuit.

try to remove the emotional blinders, in Indiana once someone has a LTCH they may carry a handgun on their person.
so as far as it being a crime, it is not..
it is the same as wearing underwear.

so if i wear to put an air lock on my store and trap women in their just long enough to ask " are you wearing pink panties?"..
do i have that right?

would i get sued?

 

[Boilers]

Drop a door prop on the way in or have someone hold both doors on the way in. NOW what are they going to do?

Got a photo of this man trap? We have a man trap at work, too. That's what they call it. Forces only one person at a time to walk down a roughly 15 foot corridor, so no one can hold either door open, and both doors must be shut to walk down it. Equipped with cameras and mics to talk to security.

 

[bigus_D]

it would be criminal complaint, not a citizens arrest. And theen followed by a civil lawsuit.

I'm certainly not emotional about it... I just think I'm right and that there is no way in hell that this criminal complaint, civil suit, citizen's arrest, or whatever would result in favorable terms for the banking customer.

I have an extremelly high degree of confidence that the bank is well within their legal rights and that they are not commiting any criminal or civil violations as related to their 'man trap'.

I do, however, look forward to reading your post here on INGO about how your experience with proving this goes. Will you be heading over there today?

 

[Al B]

How secure

My question on all this is, How secure are these containment areas? Is it bullet proof glass? Another scenario... A real bank robber rolls in not knowing about the containment area gets locked in and panics....The "door greeter" gets popped and most likely anyone else that is close. This could get real ugly.
I over think things sometimes.

 

[singlestacksig]

what legal right does a company, bank or otherwise, have to lock someone in a trap?

others have cited laws ...

 

[bigus_D]

what legal right does a company, bank or otherwise, have to lock someone in a trap?

others have cited laws ...

Yes. Indiana Code has been cited. I disagree with the interpretation that has been presented (and further asserted my opinion as fact, so there).

If you honestly believe that this bank is breaking the law, stand up for what is right. Go over there and get trapped, press charges, and just see what happens... THIS is the only way I'll be convinced.

p.s. I highly recommend NOT doing this, as I believe you'll be sorely disappointed.

Alternatively, just take your business elsewhere, accept that the bank is within its rights (banks have rights too), and stop asserting your opinion as fact.

 

[Joe Williams]

Matter of fact, you can drive to the bank armed anyway you want to be. Upon arrival, call the bank and the Security dude will escort you from your car into the bank. Or use the drive up window.

Anyone getting stuck between the doors because they are armed, that think they have something on the bank, better think again. If you refuse to leave when security gives you that option, better be ready to be relieved of your firearm by the Po-Po when they arrive on a MWG refusing to leave call from the bank. The Feds could even be part of the responding crew as part of a bank robbery task force. They have no sense of humor regarding this issue. It won't be pleasant for you and the minimum charge will be disorderly conduct. You could be charged with any number of felonies.

This is serious **** guys. Don't do something that will haunt you for years.

Regards

Glad to leave. Except the bank has held me prisoner, so can't.

Now what? On what legal grounds has the bank kidnapped you? They could leave the outside door unlocked and permit you to leave, but instead have deliberately chosen to unlawfully imprison people engaged in completely legal activities.

 

[Boilers]

Call an attorney and ask them.

 

[Denny347]

Call an attorney and ask them.

Now that is great advise. Find out FOR SURE that they lock you in from both doors then consult an attorney. Anything less is just a waste of time.

 

[bigus_D]

Anything less is just a waste of time.

 

[marv]

I pocket carry in my bank (ONB) all the time. The manager there notarized my last app for LTCH.

 

[T755]

If you think that is bad, I got stopped in the National City at 52nd and Georgetown and because I wasn't in uniform they wanted me to leave my weapon in my marked car parked out front. Ah no. They lost a customer of 20 years

 

[finity]

If you think that is bad, I got stopped in the National City at 52nd and Georgetown and because I wasn't in uniform they wanted me to leave my weapon in my marked car parked out front. Ah no. They lost a customer of 20 years

Not to be an a$$, but why do you think you should have any more of a right to carry your gun in a non-official capacity than any other citizen?

Just wonderin'. (I assume you are LEO)

BTW, welcome

 

[Soundslikejosh]

Not to be an a$$, but why do you think you should have any more of a right to carry your gun in a non-official capacity than any other citizen?

Just wonderin'. (I assume you are LEO)

BTW, welcome

I didn't think he was trying to say that he had more right, but that it was total BS because they could see his squad out front. Sheep seem to act like OC is ok from LEO, but in this case they still pulled the same crap.

 

[finity]

I didn't think he was trying to say that he had more right, but that it was total BS because they could see his squad out front. Sheep seem to act like OC is ok from LEO, but in this case they still pulled the same crap.

Ah, OK. I guess I can see that.

If thats what he meant then .

Heck, anyway.

 

[Bill of Rights]

+1 on the "don't try to fight this unless you are willing to go all the way... to jail and then court."

-1 on the "banks don't have the right to stop you in the air lock." it is nice that the outside door closes and locks ( i certainly don't want to be standing in the "air lock" while an armed criminal enters) . It is nice that they have a system to prevent a gun from entering. they should have every right to do this. They don't call LEO unless you demand entry or otherwise create a disturbance. They will let you out as soon as your business has been determined, and this doesn't take long. certainly no undue inconvenience IMHO. I mean... there IS a sign after-all.

+1 I would take my business elsewhere. If they have THAT much trouble with crime IN THE BANK, I don't want to go there anyway.

That there is a sign is meaningless. In Indiana, signs have no force of law. (fact)
I do not believe that a sign constitutes notice that you must leave if armed or be guilty of trespassing either. I do not know this to be fact.
I would also guess that the reason both doors lock is so that a criminal attempting to rob the place is caught until police arrive. Again, not fact, only a guess.
As soon as I was out, I would be closing my accounts online or by phone, and yes, they would not only lose me as a customer, but anyone I could convince to do likewise. Eventually, they'll care.

Point of curiosity: Purely hypothetically, suppose the bank allowed you to carry in their lobby upon presentation of a cred showing you to be either a LEO OR a LTCH holder. IN statute requires that you show your LTCH to a LEO requesting it. It does not have any such requirement for a business owner. Question: Would you show your LTCH to continue to bank there?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[finity]

Point of curiosity: Purely hypothetically, suppose the bank allowed you to carry in their lobby upon presentation of a cred showing you to be either a LEO OR a LTCH holder. IN statute requires that you show your LTCH to a LEO requesting it. It does not have any such requirement for a business owner. Question: Would you show your LTCH to continue to bank there?

Sure, depending on how they handled it. If they were rude & obnoxious, no. Otherwise, I think they have a right to make sure that someone is not doing something illegal (carry without a LTCH) on their property.

 

[4sarge]

If you think that is bad, I got stopped in the National City at 52nd and Georgetown and because I wasn't in uniform they wanted me to leave my weapon in my marked car parked out front. Ah no. They lost a customer of 20 years

What Ass-hats Your right, they do not deserve your business. I use the IPD Credit Union , where my check was direct deposited.


IPD Credit Union
1502 E. Washington St.
Indianapolis, IN 46201

 

[bigus_D]

Point of curiosity: Purely hypothetically, suppose the bank allowed you to carry in their lobby upon presentation of a cred showing you to be either a LEO OR a LTCH holder. IN statute requires that you show your LTCH to a LEO requesting it. It does not have any such requirement for a business owner. Question: Would you show your LTCH to continue to bank there?

No. As stated above, I definitely wouldn't be doing business with the bank described in this thread, furthermore, I wouldn't do business with the hypothetical bank in your question. I carry concealed, and have no intent of letting anybody know (excluding LEO that inquires) that I am armed. If my bank "called me out" as I entered, I would definitely take my business elsewhere.