90% of cops do just that, and so many here hate on every single one of them. I know a number of them. I know of a couple bad ones, but they arent out on the street anymore anyway.
I wonder what kinds of bad experiences you all have personally had to have such a dim view of them. Some people hate because someone else told them to, some do it because they caused a problem and were given grief, and some dont need any reason.
But if you (any of you) havent personally witnessed scores of awful cops, why all the hate?
As for the person posting, asking the cops what they say can be used against them in courts, well, in trials that I have been to, it has been. Have to say, it was hard to refute the video evidence though. And everything we said was then taken apart, and tried to use against us as well.
OK genius, you are telling us that we are not entitled to form conclusions based on our personal experiences. I get it. I just had the bad luck of encountering 10 of the 12 bad cops in the lower 48. On one hand I have a difficult time with mass condemnation with a broad stroke of a wide brush, but then again consistent abysmal results tend to form a lasting impression, which, in my case, is that there a few cops out there who are absolute treasures and the majority are not to be trusted. When you can arrange for my results to be different, I will accept your theory. Until then, don't presume to disparage my choice to accept my results rather than your theory.
OK genius, you are telling us that we are not entitled to form conclusions based on our personal experiences. I get it. I just had the bad luck of encountering 10 of the 12 bad cops in the lower 48. On one hand I have a difficult time with mass condemnation with a broad stroke of a wide brush, but then again consistent abysmal results tend to form a lasting impression, which, in my case, is that there a few cops out there who are absolute treasures and the majority are not to be trusted. When you can arrange for my results to be different, I will accept your theory. Until then, don't presume to disparage my choice to accept my results rather than your theory.
If people by now dont know that what you say can be used against you, well, then tough crap I guess.
Not that you were talking about me, but it furthers my point, I was talking about coercion, as others have said does happen, which can NOT be used....does it? Ive not seen it around here, and Im sure it can be, but if said defendant even mentions they were coerced into whatever statement they gave, there will be an investigation. Found true, statement not admissible. Not opinion there, fact. A number of court cases have shown it.
BTW, in Indiana, most statements must be VIDEO taped now, audio recorded isnt enough anymore.
The laws are on our side guys, I just dont know why lots here want to find a bad guy in all this, and act like there is no recourse should they speak.
You will have a harder time proving innocence when you remain mute than otherwise.
And yes, these days, you DO have to prove your innocence, thanks to the media. Ask Zimmerman....
So it seems this thread is split down the middle. Can we get a poll? Is anyone a lawyer or a police officer? I have no idea what to think lol. Confusing.
Please quote ONE example where someone in this thread said that coercion was admissible or even permissible! I must have missed it because I would have corrected them post haste.
you do realize cops can and will lie and use false threats of arrest to intimidate people to give up thier rights? most people are not prepared to deal with that. go watch that video and learn something.
Actually, genius, I said the opposite. Since you like insults,you shouldnt mind this. Reading comprehension isnt a strong suit around here is it?
If you had a bad result yourself, great. I get your views based on your results. Thats EXACTLY my point. How many others had that too, or how many are taking billy joe bobs cousins word for it?
you do realize cops can and will lie and use false threats of arrest to intimidate people to give up thier rights? most people are not prepared to deal with that. go watch that video and learn something.
Like this one?
yup your a cop.So because I defend them I am one?
Try reading the Constitution some time.
For all the bandying about some do here on how things are their Constitution Rights, Im amazed that people dont realize that everyone is bound by that same Constitution.
Its obvious they read what pertains exclusively to them, and the rest that pertains to everyone else too.
Its not a one way pass, its meant to restrict and allow at the same time, to protect in many ways.
90% of cops do just that, and so many here hate on every single one of them. I know a number of them. I know of a couple bad ones, but they arent out on the street anymore anyway.
I wonder what kinds of bad experiences you all have personally had to have such a dim view of them. Some people hate because someone else told them to, some do it because they caused a problem and were given grief, and some dont need any reason.
But if you (any of you) havent personally witnessed scores of awful cops, why all the hate?
Someone mentioned Zimmerman, and used that as an example of not talking to the cops. Thats ignorant, as an example, because after he talked to them, they LET HIM GO! It was the Attorney General that brought charges.
You can do whatever you want, but at the least use facts, not made up BS that you saw on a show somewhere or that some guy you know who knows another guy told you happened to his buddy...
Good Lord. I give up. You didnt understand anything I posted at all.Are you going to try to tell us that this doesn't happen? If you are, just stop now. It has been done to me before.
Interesting. The recent self defense homocides in the news have been the exact opposite. Arrest was not made until after a Grand Jury indictment several days/weeks later.
I think it is very unlikely to be formally charged and arrested on the spot. Remember police must have PC to make an arrest and once they do have limited time to build a case against you. They would much rather build a case against you with evidence, witness accounts and crucify you in the media before making their case and arresting you. Then the hard part is over.
Coercion is defined as forcing someone to do something against their will.
Convincing someone to give up their rights willingly through lying and threats is not the same as coercion.
yup your a cop.
Good Lord. I give up. You didnt understand anything I posted at all.
Did you read what he asked for? I posted what he asked for.
That person implies it happens all the time. I think it happens, and see it happen, but I also see evidence thrown out because of it, and it doesnt happen all the time.
Why do I have to keep clarifying? (Its rhetorical, I already know why)
Well, Webster doesnt get to court very often these days, but they generally see lying by authorities to get a certain outcome different from one intended by the victim or defendant as the case may be, as the same thing regarding the law.
you wear a badge by any chance?