My love/hate relationship with the Sig P320

[Amishman44]

I believe he used Rugers thought, with the popular MK 22 lr pistol series.
That angle was the reason they came out with the 22-45 series.

Yes...I did forget to include the Ruger MK Series on that list! Thanks for reminding me!
I'm not sure who's pistol the Glock grip angle was designed after, but that was predominantly a European thing in the early 1980's.

 

[Creedmoor]

Yes...I did forget to include the Ruger MK Series on that list! Thanks for reminding me!
I'm not sure who's pistol the Glock grip angle was designed after, but that was predominantly a European thing in the early 1980's.

Ruger MK1 was brought to the public in 1949.
I sorta was making a joke, but they have been around a long time.

 

[Hookeye]

Think the Ruger "Standard" auto was first then came the target "Mark 1" version.

I like the old Ruger grip, its different but no big deal.
But then I change the MS housing on 1911's to arched and like those just fine.
Get along w High Powers and HK P30/VP9 also.

 

[Hookeye]

 

[Route 45]

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You know, I've held those and they are very comfortable. Same with a bring-back Luger that my dad owns. This got me to thinking. Maybe it's not just the angle.

And then I just found this, which is the first thing I've seen that explains to me why Glocks just feel horrible in my hand. It's not necessarily the grip angle, per se. It's the combination of grip angle and high beavertail with a trigger that is set too low in the frame, causing the unnatural feel. This is compounded by the bulky, blocky grip caused by the unnecessary use of thick polymer coated magazines.

 

[Creedmoor]

You know, I've held those and they are very comfortable. Same with a bring-back Luger that my dad owns. This got me to thinking. Maybe it's not just the angle.

And then I just found this, which is the first thing I've seen that explains to me why Glocks just feel horrible in my hand. It's not necessarily the grip angle, per se. It's the combination of grip angle and high beavertail with a trigger that is set too low in the frame, causing the unnatural feel. This is compounded by the bulky, blocky grip caused by the unnecessary use of thick polymer coated magazines.View attachment 348410

What helps is to change the way one grips a pistol, I tend to do the old weaver. Both of my sons, always push me to the much newer thumb on top of thumb with both pointing at the target. Using that those F'ed up angle pistols I shoot on occasion tend to shoot much more point of aim for my sons and myself.
I'm not admitting that I can now shoot a glock Mark 2 better, but I can with that grip.

 

[Route 45]

What helps is to change the way one grips a pistol, I tend to do the old weaver. Both of my sons, always push me to the much newer thumb on top of thumb with both pointing at the target. Using that those F'ed up angle pistols I shoot on occasion tend to shoot much more point of aim for my sons and myself.
I'm not admitting that I can now shoot a glock Mark 2 better, but I can with that grip.

I've always used the thumbs-forward grip with any semiauto. It does mitigate some of the awkwardness with Gaston's shooting appliance, but still doesn't beat natural pointability.



Doesn't do anything for the famed "Glock knuckle" that most people experience with extended shooting of Glocks, though.
Ever hear of M&P knuckle?

Exactly.

 

[Codyf44]

After all the things I’ve heard about the 320 i personally will never get one. Maybe get a 226 legion! That’s what I want!

 

[Knights1776]

I really like the concept of the P320 and it's modularity. Picked up an M17 as well as a P365XL.

 

[Creedmoor]

I really like the concept of the P320 and it's modularity. Picked up an M17 as well as a P365XL.

We enjoy the M17's that we have.

 

[DadSmith]

We enjoy the M17's that we have.

And the M17 hasn't shot anyone by itself yet

 

[Creedmoor]

And the M17 hasn't shot anyone by itself yet

Not yet anyway, they have served eviction notices on the glocks and taurus pistols in that safe to never come back here again..

 

[bwframe]

NSFW!!!

 

[92FSTech]

NSFW!!!

Interesting that he blames the light strikes on the trigger....I don't see how that can be related at all. I'd be willing to bet that his light strikes are due to his slide not going back fully into battery consistently. I'm not sure why his gun is doing that...I can't even force any of mine to do it. But then again, I don't have a fancy X5, either, just the basic models. He did say in the followup video that those problems could be related.

Personally, while I don't love striker triggers in general, I haven't found one yet that I prefer to the P320. It's still not as good as a nice DA/SA or SAO hammer-fired trigger, but I like it better than any other striker trigger I've tried, including the Walthers that everybody raves about. But that's also an area that's largely subjective, so it's a hard point to argue.

The recoil impulse has never been an issue, or felt "weird" to me, but again I don't have an X5. My stock gun probably has a heavier recoil spring, which is going to change the felt recoil, and is also probably why I don't have any issues with mine going into battery.

The accuracy complaint...3" at 50 yards is so far outside my capabilities that I can't begin to speak to that. Mine is good enough that I can't blame my misses on the gun, but if my skillet was at the level of Ben's I can see how that would be a frustration.

Overall, it seemed like a fair an honest review. I'll be interested to see if he tries to work through some of the issues and releases a followup.

 

[cedartop]

NSFW!!!

Not that I want to align myself with Ben, but his experience is close to mine. I really like the ergonomics of the gun, but the negatives outweigh that for me.

 

[bwframe]

Not that I want to align myself with Ben, but his experience is close to mine. I really like the ergonomics of the gun, but the negatives outweigh that for me.

Roger that!

Coach is rolling in his grave that I might watch Ben Steoger vids. The content is good though, as long as you can separate the wheat from the chaff. Kinda the same as James Yeager vids.

Thanks for the input. I think you and Ben have helped me make a decision on considering the X10 version of the 320. I think I'll wait for the right deal on a gen Gen5 G20 MOS.