Mass shooting reported in San Bernadino

[ArcadiaGP]

Suspects fired 76 rounds and law enforcement fired 380 rounds in shoot-out. For those who wonder why would anyone ever need more than 10.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Obama Is Wrong: Mass Shootings Do Happen Elsewhere, And More Often - Investors.com

 

[dusty88]

Statement at presser: no information to indicate suspects wore "GoPro"

 

[KJQ6945]

Suspects fired 76 rounds and law enforcement fired 380 rounds in shoot-out. For those who wonder why would anyone ever need more than 10.

How did they reload they're 10 round bullet button AR's? I hope the didn't break any laws while they were killing........

 

[ArcadiaGP]

What police found in suspects’ garage:

• 12 pipe bomb type devices
• Hundreds of tools
• 2000 9 mm rounds
• 2500 .223 rounds

 

[JollyMon]

What police found in suspects’ garage:

• 12 pipe bomb type devices
• Hundreds of tools
• 2000 9 mm rounds
• 2500 .223 rounds

here comes ammunition restrictions.......

 

[chezuki]

How did they reload they're 10 round bullet button AR's? I hope the didn't break any laws while they were killing........

In order to not break any laws, they probably used these stocks... So they could legally have detachable mags. Damn California is weird.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Two handguns were purchased by male San Bernardino shooter, the rifles were NOT, according to police.

Important: guns used in San Bernardino were *purchased* legally, but not clear they were *transferred* legally.

terrorism by any definition. Extensive planning & premeditation.

 

[KJQ6945]

In order to not break any laws, they probably used these stocks... So they could legally have detachable mags. Damn California is weird.

Look closely at the mag well. It's a little different.

 

[T.Lex]

Look closely at the mag well. It's a little different.

All the f'd-upedness of that gun, and the mag well is what you noticed?

 

[KJQ6945]

All the f'd-upedness of that gun, and the mag well is what you noticed?

I know right! The point was even with the screwy stock, the mag still isn't detachable.

 

[Trigger Time]

I stayed the F out of that thread (I think). Assuming the PP attack was religious - or even morally - motivated, doesn't that make it terrorism, then?



I can tell you that kind of cooperation was happening even before 9/11. For understandable reasons - the same reasons family members and friends of every persuasion don't rat out people - it is often kept quiet. I would not be a bit surprised if the tip that led police to the house came from a Muslim friend/family member.

It makes it terrorism because they use this to strike terror in the masses to force a believe or idea or just as retaliation. That's my understanding. I'm not a lunatic piece of **** halalalalala so I can't tell you why they do it past that

 

[Alpo]

Suspects fired 76 rounds and law enforcement fired 380 rounds in shoot-out. For those who wonder why would anyone ever need more than 10.

That's interesting. Aside from possessing someone else's AR, California has a fixed magazine requirement limited to 10 rounds. So, the rifles were "illegally modified" by Muslim Terrorists.

One other point about the effectiveness of handguns against ballistic protection....someone said, maybe it was Coop, that you cannot overemphasize the value of suppressive fire. I think that's particularly true in a situation like this. Get one or both of the Moooslims ducking and the firefight might turn the other way. One of the INGO instructor types might chime in on this point.

 

[chezuki]

I know right! The point was even with the screwy stock, the mag still isn't detachable.

Here, this one then. I know it's how the 3 gun guys get around it in commiefornia.

 

[Trigger Time]

I think the brother in law knows much more than he said in the press conference last night. His body language and catching himself before speaking indicated that to me. I'm sure he knew they were ****ing extremist but maybe not that they would do this

 

[hoosierdoc]

here comes ammunition restrictions.......

They had thousands of square feet of carpet too!

Well, it's CA, probably hundreds.

Our point is: you can't use that much in a raid so restrictions are stupid.

 

[JollyMon]

One other point about the effectiveness of handguns against ballistic protection

No ballistic protection, they had lbv..... hence the media assumes it was body armor

 

[Alpo]

Yeah, I know. But the point remains the same. These shooters are "expired". Doesn't mean the next one won't be "new and improved".

 

[T.Lex]

I think the brother in law knows much more than he said in the press conference last night. His body language and catching himself before speaking indicated that to me. I'm sure he knew they were ****ing extremist but maybe not that they would do this

He did not know more - and he said (well, the other guy said it for him) that they didn't want to speculate! Like any amateur in that situation, with people yelling questions at him, he wanted to talk more. But, that would've been even worse. He said no one expected it. He probably wanted to talk more about that. He probably wanted to talk more about how much the family is confused.

He ultimately did the smart thing by ShuttingTFU. In ALL honesty, he had no business being there. That is the reason families issue statements. Unless a family member has experience in that situation, very little good can come from it.

But, I'm interested in your take on the other speakers. Were they, in your opinion, all complicit and lying or did they genuinely denounce the attack?

 

[snorko]

Since RC cars were going to be used to detonate the explosives, will they be government controlled or banned?

You mean your ground dwelling drones?

Hypothetical: Would you trade submitting to universal background checks for nationwide constitutional carry?

Absolutely not. And Kirk may chime in on the effectiveness of Indiana's past UBC requirement.

Can someone please inform me what the difference is between a universal background check and the the one the run on you when you buy a new handgun?

All sales and transfers of firearms, no exceptions. IE, the previous bill could have been interpreted to make it illegal to hand someone a gun at the range for them to try.

So 99% jihad, 1% they took his stapler.

85 million gun owners in U.S.A., yesterday 2 acted out in a mass shooting. Let's punish the other 99.999998%

What police found in suspects’ garage:

• 12 pipe bomb type devices
• Hundreds of tools
• 2000 9 mm rounds
• 2500 .223 rounds

Crap, I have around 1,500 rounds in my car. God forbid they look in my ... never mind.