Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[BugI02]

That's a total misrepresentation of facts. I am and I believe Alpo is every person's status is and should be up to them.

The question is does that decision have any effect at all?

I think the decision you don't make becomes a different world/timeline

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I don't question his intentions, I question his sincerity

I take it he’s not staying in your spare bedroom?

 

[actaeon277]

I'm reminded of when NY demanded 15000 more ventilators, which were never used, made a big deal publicly about opening covid bedspace in MSG which was never used and received use of a hospital ship - which, you guessed it, was essentially never used

But you are right, we're all going to die

I did die.
Right after I was turned into a newt.
I got better.

 

[BugI02]

Ok. Thank you. So now I can ask a question. Are there any studies that show one is less contagious after being vaccinated?

Isn't part of herd immunity that the vaccinated population % is higher?

That's why I have been asking the questions. I thought that vaccine rates affected herd immunity (in number of deaths).

The world may never reach herd immunity against COVID-19

Despite evidence that it will be difficult or impossible to reach herd immunity against COVID-19, many public health officials aren't giving up. But the world is unlikely to put the pandemic behind it until 2022 at the earliest, experts say.

www.seattletimes.com

“Will we get to herd immunity? No, very unlikely, by definition,” said Greg Poland, director of the Vaccine Research Group at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.

 

[Alpo]

Yep. From your cite



So 34972 unvaxxed people were hospitalized out of 569142 cases, that's 34972/569142 or 6.14% were Hospitalized

6132 unvaxxed people died out of those 34972 unvaxxed hospitalizations, that's 6132/34972 or 17.53% Hospitalized Died

2976 vaxxed people were hospitalized out of 46312 cases, that's 2976/46312 or 6.43% were Hospitalized

616 vaxxed people died out of 2976 vexed hospitalizations or 20.70% Hospitalized Died

CFR for unvaxxed 1.077%

CFR for vaxxed 1.330%

In the same ball park but vaxxed numbers are worse in every category

That is one comparison.

How does the rate of hospitalization and death compare with fully vaccinated and everyone else? For example, if 170 million are fully vaccinated (not the correct number for that time period, but I don't want to dig into it right now), the incidence of hospitalization is 2975/1.7 * 10^8. Unvaxed/single jab is 34972/8 * 10^7. Rough numbers, I know, but it appears that 10 times the hospitalizations on 1/2 the number of people.

I could be wrong on the math. Corrections requested.

 

[Alpo]

Yes, the time to take care of that problem was 2 Nov 2021. You dropped the ball

You put up a grifter.

 

[actaeon277]

I don't fear the Reaper, dude.

In this thread, gotta use this version. .

 

[BugI02]

I'm not sure I understand your question exactly?

First rule of Debate Club is ...

 

[BugI02]

It's because, like I said, the vaccines have marginal protection against new and emerging variants.
People are sold a lie that the vaccine protects them, when really it protects them from what was running rampant a year ago. It has questionable effectiveness over time and against new variants.

This is why israel is now saying they consider you un-vaxxed if you've only had 2 injections, and they're trying to roll out a 4th booster now.

We're into wack-a-mole territory where we need a treatment rather than a vaccine for combatting this. But big pharma doesn't like the concept of them not being the sole rights holders of a new and patent protected treatment, and are lobbying like hell to make sure they hold a monopoly on anything that might work.

Exactly!

Are flu vaccines ever going to carry us to herd immunity with respect to influenza?

 

[actaeon277]

Fully vax'd.
What does that mean, anyway?

I'm hearing now, they're on a 3rd shot, and talking about a 4th.
Then there's the twice a day pill.

So, does that mean it's okay to force all that?
And to people REALLY think if EVERYONE (100%) did that tomorrow, it would all be over?

 

[BugI02]

Who started Operation Warp Speed to rush the vaccine to production? To claim that Trump said "Vaccine Bad" is disingenuous at best. Back then, you had Democrats declaring they would NEVER take a vaccine endorsed by Trump. Yet here we are, and those same people are the biggest cheerleaders for the very vaccines that got developed under Operation Warp Speed.

You seem to be blaming the people that aren't comfortable with getting the vaccine. Yet those people (you assume) are Trump supporters.

I know that thinking for oneself is foreign to you, but I assure you, it happens.

Wasting your time with CampingJeep/JoshHammer

 

[Alpo]

Fully vax'd.
What does that mean, anyway?

I'm hearing now, they're on a 3rd shot, and talking about a 4th.
Then there's the twice a day pill.

So, does that mean it's okay to force all that?
And to people REALLY think if EVERYONE (100%) did that tomorrow, it would all be over?

US is two shots right now. I haven't heard an official word on more. It's historical, not forward looking, so you should be able to put it in historical context and debate the point from there.

over

 

[BugI02]

Honestly, at this point, we’re lucky we have the BBQ thread not discussing Covid.

We could improve this one if we started discussing food

That's FOOD, not systemic poisons like pineapple on pizza

 

[BugI02]

Well it involves having a sauce smeared on your meat then having a COVID-19 positive person coughing on it. Say you going to the game tomorrow? We could try this out.

Get a room, pervs

 

[actaeon277]

Also, not sure how to look this up.
And EVERYTHING I type in, come up with crap from covid.

But I seem to remember that vaccines were supposed to be administered to a population, over a relatively SHORT period of time.
Short, as in "weeks", or a "month".

Slow roll out was basically supposed to be BAD.
Bad as in, won't eradicate, and causes variants to pop up.

Which sounds kind of familiar.

Course, I don't feel like digging through a real library, with books.
And my Internet search is flooded with news of the day.

Anyone else remember this?

 

[printcraft]

Oh the meme post....ok

No, those were picts of the articles, I gave you a link to the articles that you asked for and were unable to do for yourself in the next post.

No more hand holding.

 

[printcraft]

....

Your inalienable right does not include the ability to infect any and all with a virus, Executive orders mandate quarantine and isolation for:

• Cholera
• Diphtheria
• Infectious tuberculosis
• Plague
• Smallpox
• Yellow fever
• Viral hemorrhagic fevers (like Ebola), or
• 
  
• Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS, MERS, COVID-19)

LOL So pretty much everything that is coming across the southern border in mass quantites and being shipped around the country by your boy bidet.

Cry me a river, like rio grande size.

 

[vzdude]

If you fear the unvaccinated, stay home. You’ll not interfere with my rights.

I’m plagiarizing this….. just FYI.

 

[Tombs]

Yep. From your cite



So 34972 unvaxxed people were hospitalized out of 569142 cases, that's 34972/569142 or 6.14% were Hospitalized

6132 unvaxxed people died out of those 34972 unvaxxed hospitalizations, that's 6132/34972 or 17.53% Hospitalized Died

2976 vaxxed people were hospitalized out of 46312 cases, that's 2976/46312 or 6.43% were Hospitalized

616 vaxxed people died out of 2976 vexed hospitalizations or 20.70% Hospitalized Died

CFR for unvaxxed 1.077%

CFR for vaxxed 1.330%

In the same ball park but vaxxed numbers are worse in every category

But remember, hard science is taboo, we can only speak in bumpersticker slogans if we want to be listened to.

 

[Tombs]

Fully vax'd.
What does that mean, anyway?

I'm hearing now, they're on a 3rd shot, and talking about a 4th.
Then there's the twice a day pill.

So, does that mean it's okay to force all that?
And to people REALLY think if EVERYONE (100%) did that tomorrow, it would all be over?

In the US it's 2 shots unless the science changes again, which to be intellectually honest with themselves it'll have to change very soon.

In Israel it's 3 shots, and they're planning on changing it to 4 as soon as the next injection is available. Considering they are taking the vaccine the most serious of any country, if you subscribe to the vax, then Israel is who you should look to.