Leaked/breaking:Roe v. Wade expected to be overturned

[DadSmith]

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

Numbers 5: 11-22

Definitely not the king James version. Not sure what version this is but it is a lot different.

Numbers 5:21-22 KJV
Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; [22] And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.


21. (then the priest hath caused the woman to swear with an oath of execration, and the priest hath said to the woman) -- Jehovah doth give thee for an execration, and for a curse, in the midst of thy people, in Jehovah`s giving thy thigh to fall, and thy belly to swell,
22. and these waters which cause the curse have gone into thy bowels, to cause the belly to swell, and the thigh to fall; and the woman hath said, Amen, Amen.
(Numbers, 5)

This is the literal translation from Hebrew to English.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

Numbers 5: 11-22

Cool story.

 

[BugI02]

That's for your Statehouse reps to decide.

So, now for the flipside, let's send the believers into church tomorrow with a question to ponder:

How do you answer the Rape Question? Because although others in this thread have talked about women "screwing around," that's not what the debates are going to be about. It's going to be about women getting raped, and the belief that it's one of these mysterious ways God works his magic in the world, and we as humans are not equipped to understand it.

Now that RvW seems headed to the ash-heap, it's not just prick reporters picking on Richard Mourdock who are going to ask this question. It's basically every single debate moderator facing a Republican candidate...because now it's become a very relevant question. It's not just muck-raking anymore.

Every Republican candidate, from US Senator down to your local-yokel statehouse guy is going to get asked the Rape Question.

Indiana has 6 or 7 Million people and 100 statehouse districts. That works out to about 65,000 constituents per district, which isn't even 10% the population of Indianapolis. So now, you're going to have candidates who only represent an area the size of 2 or 3 large Indianapolis neighborhoods, being asked the Rape Question.

How do you answer the Rape Question? Keeping in mind, that your Christian beliefs on the subject are a horrifying "Handmaid's Tale" anachronism to many.

Offered to provoke thought. I don't think many Republicans really realize what they've just been thrown into. Every Republican candidate just became Richard Mourdock. When that moderator asked him the Rape Question...it was like his campaign was a hot-air balloon that got strafed with a 50 cal. He was in the trees before he knew what hit him.

Can Christians strategically "hold their nose" and make peace with a Rape Exception, in order to move the football to a better place than where it is now? Because it's precisely this kind of political-compromise gray area that the "Ultimate Divine Truth" crowd seems to have no aptitude for.

Personally, I think Republicans and their constituents are going to step all over their peckers on this. Because it's what they've always done.

A quick goto on the numbers shows ~65700 rapes in the FBI statistics for 2019 and ~628400 abortions reported to the CDC

That means if every raped woman became pregnant and got an abortion (which is unlikely) then only about 10.4% of all abortions are from rape

We should be talking about the other 90% and why murder isn't an effective post coital birth control strategy

 

[jamil]

Every Republican candidate just became Richard Mourdock.

QFT

 

[flightsimmer]

The women's right to chose is before she gets pregnant. If she gets raped against her will then she should file charges if she can, but she should make it known to authorities that it was not her choice to do it. After that it's too late, her only choice is adoption or raising the child. Making tax payers pay for this is a crime in itself. Goodnight.

 

[jamil]

A quick goto on the numbers shows ~65700 rapes in the FBI statistics for 2019 and ~628400 abortions reported to the CDC

That means if every raped woman became pregnant and got an abortion (which is unlikely) then only about 10.4% of all abortions are from rape

We should be talking about the other 90% and why murder isn't an effective post coital birth control strategy

1) I think the number is closer to 1%.

2) Regardless of the number it doesn’t matter. 1% of a lot is a lot. It’s a gotcha question but your answer would just be seen as a deflection. Not a bad one as deflections go.

3) there isn’t a good answer to that question. If you have a world view that regards abortion as murder, any answer to the rape question that doesn’t treat abortion as murder makes you inconsistent. But saying that it should be illegal even after rape is only socially acceptable to religious conservatives. So pretty much you have to deflect.

 

[Cameramonkey]

The standing offer I have for putin is also in effect for rapists. However, for rapists it is $5, not $5B.

Have gun.
Will travel.

Pffff! I'll do it for free. Call it a "public service".

 

[BigRed]

Pffff! I'll do it for free. Call it a "public service".

I am simply covering ammo costs.....but I will happily cover yours.

 

[Tombs]

The women's right to chose is before she gets pregnant. If she gets raped against her will then she should file charges if she can, but she should make it known to authorities that it was not her choice to do it. After that it's too late, her only choice is adoption. Making tax payers pay for this is a crime in itself. Goodnight.

While I don't support abortion in any context, I do have arguments in favor of it.

I like for there to be consistency in all things ideological, so...
If you have a loved one on life support that you wish to "let go," would you like the state to tell you no?
Under the same circumstances, with the same restrictions, it would be fair to hold abortion to that standard.

In any context I believe at the very least it must be called homicide.

 

[Route 45]

Cool story.

At least as cool as the children who perished in the flood because of the sins of their fathers.

 

[jamil]

This really isn’t a religion bashing thread. People believe stuff you don’t for reasons you don’t agree with. Accept that and move on. The ideas you have that are ideologically derived are no less full of **** than anyone else’s.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

At least as cool as the children who perished in the flood because of the sins of their fathers.

Oh snap! You got me.

 

[BigRed]

At least as cool as the children who perished in the flood because of the sins of their fathers.

Meh... **** the sins.

What would a father do?

 

[flightsimmer]

Oh snap! You got me.

As unfair as it seemed, the children had no chance of being redeemed and we're warned for something like 120 years that, that would happen. God always saves a remnant before all hope is lost.

What amazes me is that Noah spent 120 years doing God's work on something that appeared foolish at the time. God gives, and God takes away, Blessed be the Lord. God will not force us to repent, we must do so willingly other wise nothing will change and sin will eventually leven the whole world and time is very close, who can know?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

Numbers 5: 11-22

A woman "going astray" is not the same thing as being raped.

 

[churchmouse]

Because. Subway. Sucks.

I have to agree.
They are franchise stores. There is a woman in Indiana that owned maybe 40 locations. She is seriously well off and she sucks at paying her bills on upkeep/maintenance. One of the last companies I contracted with (HVAC) was trying to land the contract with her to maintain her stores. They got 6 or 7 of them but 4 months in they stopped work as she was always 120 days out on money and fought over everything as to billing. Stores were crap holes.

Subways suck.

 

[churchmouse]

Now do McGreasolds where one can finally go back inside but eat inside isn't available, only ordering, and you have to use the stupid ****ing kiosks because they can't or won't staff the registers and they don't want to handle cash anyway

We might take the terrorists to McStinks on occasion for a happy meal (They love it) and I might get some fries that’s it for us.
But moms/Dads still feed the kids supper from the place as is evident from the drive through at dinner.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Innocent children should not bear the death penalty for the crimes of their fathers.

THIS! THIS! THIS!

Whenever asked the "rape question" every pro-life individual, whether a politician, media figure, etc, should simply state this one simple sentence. Nothing more, nothing less. Not matter how they're pressed.

This is all it comes down to in the end, anything else is a distraction. (And BTW, this is why I don't personally use, and don't like it when other people use, phrases like "stop sleeping around" when talking about women and abortion. Yes, sexual morality has an important place in society, but it's a different question, abeit a somewhat related one. Abortion takes an innocent life, therefore, it's a question of the basic rights of the child, not of the sexual choices of the parents.)

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

As unfair as it seemed, the children had no chance of being redeemed and we're warned for something like 120 years that, that would happen. God always saves a remnant before all hope is lost.

What amazes me is that Noah spent 120 years doing God's work on something that appeared foolish at the time. God gives, and God takes away, Blessed be the Lord. God will not force us to repent, we must do so willingly other wise nothing will change and sin will eventually leven the whole world and time is very close, who can know?

Of course. Those sorts of arguments offered are old and tired. They are easily refuted but those without the willingness to hear will not hear.

 

[Hawkeye]

Well, it went to Subway lost a lot of business because they chose a woke idiot to make commercials for them. Then there were rebuttals to that., which fell into Subway sucks.

That, Padawan, is the way of the morph...