BehindBlueI's
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- Oct 3, 2012
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Ok Blue Eyes, I concede. I do believe that you have changed my mind. I asked if we were back to this point and the answer seems to be that yes, yes we are. It indeed is cops vs turds in your blue eyes..... You really do believe that the police are "In Charge" of the citizenry.
That's not what I said, although doubtlessly its how it appears to you.
I said a cop who initiates a traffic stop is in charge of that traffic stop. That's true. Even when I'm stopped (and I'm a cop, remember) he's in charge. You take that and eliminate both the context and the boundaries. You'd rather decide you were wrong about me than wrong about police in general. It's tough to admit your worldview is wrong, much easier to say you must have read that one guy wrong.
In a court room, the judge is in charge. Is that fascist? Because the judge is now in charge of the citizens?
Upthread, someone mentioned he answers his door with a gun hidden behind his leg. Who's in charge during an interaction between a home owner and someone knocking on the door? The home owner. He has the authority to trespass the visitor if he so chooses, he has the castle doctrine to defend his home if he is forced to, and he has the authority to invite the person in and engage them in conversation if he so chooses.
So, if your car broke down at 2am and you had to knock on someone's door for help, knowing that the home owner may have an unholstered gun, should you also unholster your gun and hide it "to defend yourself" from the home owner? How would INGO, and society as a whole, look at someone answering their door at 2am to a stranger taking precautions in case they needed to defend their home vs a stranger knocking on their door at 2am with a gun drawn just in case they needed to defend themselves? Which one would be in the moral and legal right if their decisions resulted in a shoot out?
Knowing nothing else about either gun owner, you know who you'd side with. Why? Probably, because home invasions happen with enough frequency that its realistic for the homeowner to take precautions, but people randomly getting shot for knocking on doors either doesn't happen or is so infrequent as to be paranoid and delusional...and the act of trying to prevent this non-event makes it more likely for one or both of you to get hurt.