Is this just the beginning of rioting or will it subside?

[CampingJosh]

You do realize, the president needed to travel, right? Is he supposed to walk among the people who have been throwing molotovs at cops, unprotected? Or are the "protesters" supposed to be able to decide that the president can't leave the white house?

I think we understand that word differently.

 

[Tombs]

I think we understand that word differently.

So your opinion is that the president should be contained by "protesters" and unable to leave the white house?

 

[CampingJosh]

So your opinion is that the president should be contained by "protesters" and unable to leave the white house?

Two responses:

First, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that government officials be inconvenienced by the people petitioning the government for redress of grievances. After all, is it really a right to petition if the government is not required to pay any mind to the petition?

Second, doesn't he have a helicopter?

 

[Tombs]

Two responses:

First, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that government officials be inconvenienced by the people petitioning the government for redress of grievances. After all, is it really a right to petition if the government is not required to pay any mind to the petition?

Second, doesn't he have a helicopter?

Violence and intimidation isn't petitioning for a redress of grievances. We have a court system, and voting for that. They could even form their own political party and participate in elections with all of this as their policy platform.
If their concept of a redress of grievances is trying to wage civil war, then they are taking on the consequences that they may not win and may be engaged.

Helicopters have to land.

 

[CampingJosh]

Violence and intimidation isn't petitioning for a redress of grievances.

This is a wonderfully accurate red herring. There was not violence and imitation by protesters going on at the time the police violently cleared Lafayette Square.

We have a court system, and voting for that. They could even form their own political party and participate in elections with all of this as their policy platform.
If their concept of a redress of grievances is trying to wage civil war, then they are taking on the consequences that they may not win and may be engaged.

No, there are different parts of the Constitution about voting and the court system. This is addressed separately (First Amendment) because it is a different thing than voting and the courts.

You seem to be blaming the peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square during the 6:00 PM hour on June 1, 2020, with acts of violence committed at other times by unknown people.

Helicopters have to land.

Was the only landing site in Lafayette Square? He wasn't trapped.

We don't have a king who is supposed to get his every whim immediately. He's not owed an empty space at Lafayette Square for any reason, especially not one that is specifically for campaigning.

 

[Tombs]

This is a wonderfully accurate red herring. There was not violence and imitation by protesters going on at the time the police violently cleared Lafayette Square.

No, there are different parts of the Constitution about voting and the court system. This is addressed separately (First Amendment) because it is a different thing than voting and the courts.

You seem to be blaming the peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square during the 6:00 PM hour on June 1, 2020, with acts of violence committed at other times by unknown people.

Was the only landing site in Lafayette Square? He wasn't trapped.

We don't have a king who is supposed to get his every whim immediately. He's not owed an empty space at Lafayette Square for any reason, especially not one that is specifically for campaigning.

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Communist revolutionaries are not peaceful protesters. Sorry.

 

[MinutemanPatriot]

Communist revolutionaries are not peaceful protesters. Sorry.[/FONT][/COLOR]

I tried to rep you but the system wouldn't let me. Hard agree, communist subversives/revolutionaries are not law-abiding, peaceful, or legitimate in any way.

 

[NKBJ]

Just as always we have jacobins backed by illuminists in corporate and government offices seeking to overturn our civilization (solve) and create the social order (coagula) they want; they're not people seeking the legal redress of grievances. But they are people following procedure.

The good Archbishop Vigano phrased his letter to President Trump quite carefully and used Latin to say exactly who is doing this. And holy guacamole Batman, I'm not even a Catholic and didn't have to have that explained!

 

[printcraft]

Two responses:

First, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that government officials be inconvenienced by the people petitioning the government for redress of grievances. After all, is it really a right to petition if the government is not required to pay any mind to the petition?

Second, doesn't he have a helicopter?

Something tells me that if it were obama trapped in the whitehouse with "dangerous armed rightwing" protestors outside you would be ok with the teargas and bullets.

 

[Twangbanger]

Something tells me that if it were obama trapped in the whitehouse with "dangerous armed rightwing" protestors outside you would be ok with the teargas and bullets.

There is as much evidence supporting that assertion, as there was for him to accuse migunner of supporting totalitarianism.


And he didn't take it back, despite it being pointed out that migunner said no such thing.


One thing I have learned about accusations: "the smeller is usually the feller."

 

[KittySlayer]

You do realize, the president [STRIKE]needed[/STRIKE] wanted to travel, right? Is he supposed to walk among the people who have been throwing molotovs at cops, unprotected? Or are the "protesters" supposed to be able to decide that the president can't leave the white house?

In my mind it was the President illustrating to all the wussy mayors and governors that they should be able to control the streets in their own cities and if they can't then he will.

Rocco to Fredo, “Michael says that if you can't take care of this -- I have to.”

 

[CampingJosh]

There is as much evidence supporting that assertion, as there was for him to accuse migunner of supporting totalitarianism.


And he didn't take it back, despite it being pointed out that migunner said no such thing.


One thing I have learned about accusations: "the smeller is usually the feller."

I apologize to migunner that I was imprecise in my wording and let some people think I was accusing him of supporting totalitarianism.

I didn't think it was particularly difficult to understand, but I will restate it here. What I was trying to indicate was that migunner is not listening to and understanding the reasons for the protests (violence by police against peaceful people) if he is calling for police to "squelch" protesters, especially following an egregious use of police violence against peaceful protesters at Lafayette Square. I thought the either/or construction I used was good enough for most people figure out which side I was putting him in, but since you, Twangbanger, really feel like I treated him poorly, I hope this makes you feel better.

Something tells me that if it were obama trapped in the whitehouse with "dangerous armed rightwing" protestors outside you would be ok with the teargas and bullets.

I'm anti-authoritarian no matter who is in the White House (or any other public office for that matter).

My whole life up through 2016, I considered myself a Republican. The reason I don't now is that I've been told here on INGO that if I don't support President Trump's agenda (and whims) 100% that I'm a RINO. I didn't leave the Republican Party; several members here kicked me out.

 

[Dutchisaurus]

This is a wonderfully accurate red herring. There was not violence and imitation by protesters going on at the time the police violently cleared Lafayette Square.



No, there are different parts of the Constitution about voting and the court system. This is addressed separately (First Amendment) because it is a different thing than voting and the courts.

You seem to be blaming the peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square during the 6:00 PM hour on June 1, 2020, with acts of violence committed at other times by unknown people.



Was the only landing site in Lafayette Square? He wasn't trapped.

We don't have a king who is supposed to get his every whim immediately. He's not owed an empty space at Lafayette Square for any reason, especially not one that is specifically for campaigning.

Peaceful.....laugh

"He added: “Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.”

 

[printcraft]

.......I'm anti-authoritarian no matter who is in the White House (or any other public office for that matter).....

That's not really an answer. Who is/are the authoritarians in this scenario?

...obama trapped in the whitehouse with "dangerous armed rightwing" protestors outside .....

 

[Cameramonkey]

My whole life up through 2016, I considered myself a Republican. The reason I don't now is that I've been told here on INGO that if I don't support President Trump's agenda (and whims) 100% that I'm a RINO. I didn't leave the Republican Party; several members here kicked me out.

Come to the Libertarian side... we have cookies!

 

[CampingJosh]

That's not really an answer. Who is/are the authoritarians in this scenario?

I've already rejected the claim that President Trump was in any sense trapped.

I can't give a good answer to a fundamentally flawed question.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I've already rejected the claim that President Trump was in any sense trapped.

I can't give a good answer to a fundamentally flawed question.

Could he have freely walked outside to the streets, as any free American should be able to?

 

[Tombs]

I've already rejected the claim that President Trump was in any sense trapped.

I can't give a good answer to a fundamentally flawed question.

Is this a joke or are you being serious?

It's hard to tell given your positions.

 

[BugI02]

I apologize to migunner that I was imprecise in my wording and let some people think I was accusing him of supporting totalitarianism.

I didn't think it was particularly difficult to understand, but I will restate it here. What I was trying to indicate was that migunner is not listening to and understanding the reasons for the protests (violence by police against peaceful people) if he is calling for police to "squelch" protesters, especially following an egregious use of police violence against peaceful protesters at Lafayette Square. I thought the either/or construction I used was good enough for most people figure out which side I was putting him in, but since you, Twangbanger, really feel like I treated him poorly, I hope this makes you feel better.




I'm anti-authoritarian no matter who is in the White House (or any other public office for that matter).

My whole life up through 2016, I considered myself a Republican. The reason I don't now is that I've been told here on INGO that if I don't support President Trump's agenda (and whims) 100% that I'm a RINO. I didn't leave the Republican Party; several members here kicked me out.

I'm sorry, but given some positions you have adopted I find that a bit of a stretch. Another innocent life destroyed by Trump, I guess

 

[BugI02]

Come to the Libertarian side... we have cookies!

How many ounces per batch?