Indiana Constitutional Carry-Summer Study thread (2017)

[Alamo]

You have a bow tied into the hair on your chest? ...

That's exactly what I thought when I read that.

Please do not show us pictures. Thank you.

I thought that too!

 

[jamil]

That's exactly what I thought when I read that.




I thought that too!

Right? How else would the bow stay on his chest?

 

[2A_Tom]

Actyally it is not a bow but a pink breast cancer solidarity ribbon tattoo.

 

[jamil]

Actyally it is not a bow but a pink breast cancer solidarity ribbon tattoo.

Well, that explains why it stays on.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Actyally it is not a bow but a pink breast cancer solidarity ribbon tattoo.

Good cover!

Just kidding, if that's true. Good for you. Still don't want to see pictures.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[T.Lex]

Word of caution: the collective "we" should be prepared to have Charlottesville brought up in the context of the study of constitutional carry. We can all agree that no one was actually shot this past weekend during the violence, but there were pictures and reports of "militia" being "better armed" than the police.

That's an optics issue, but an important one.

 

[Spear Dane]

Word of caution: the collective "we" should be prepared to have Charlottesville brought up in the context of the study of constitutional carry. We can all agree that no one was actually shot this past weekend during the violence, but there were pictures and reports of "militia" being "better armed" than the police.

That's an optics issue, but an important one.

I would ask anyone that brings it up if they are prepared to pose legislation banning automobiles.

 

[T.Lex]

I would ask anyone that brings it up if they are prepared to pose legislation banning automobiles.

That is easily parried by pointing out this isn't a summer study commission on cars, but on firearms.

 

[jamil]

Word of caution: the collective "we" should be prepared to have Charlottesville brought up in the context of the study of constitutional carry. We can all agree that no one was actually shot this past weekend during the violence, but there were pictures and reports of "militia" being "better armed" than the police.

That's an optics issue, but an important one.

The optics don't help any, that's for sure. I guess I'd have to ask how applicable Charlottesville is to requiring carry licenses here.

 

[T.Lex]

The optics don't help any, that's for sure. I guess I'd have to ask how applicable Charlottesville is to requiring carry licenses here.

VA allows open carry without a license (open to correction on that).

You and I and most of INGO can see the fallacy: just because VA is constitutional open carry, doesn't mean "it can happen here."

I'm just saying that a good, positive, thought-out response will be a good idea.

 

[brotherbill3]

I was hopeful of attending this hearing; but as of now I am out.
I do need to make some efforts (ramping up) ... to Share the info and will followup ...

But there is a critical appointment I must be at with my wife that day - at that same time - of the first hearing ...

So I must say Good luck, have at it, and get it done ... I'll watch for AAR's and the video (hopefully there is one) - and perhaps make rounds 2 and/or 3.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I was hopeful of attending this hearing; but as of now I am out.
I do need to make some efforts (ramping up) ... to Share the info and will followup ...

But there is a critical appointment I must be at with my wife that day - at that same time - of the first hearing ...

So I must say Good luck, have at it, and get it done ... I'll watch for AAR's and the video (hopefully there is one) - and perhaps make rounds 2 and/or 3.

Wish you could make it Bill but I definitely understand. I'm keeping a good thought that we'll be well represented in room 431.

 

[Liberty1916]

I sent a bunch of postcards earlier this year. I have a feeling they were largely ignored.

 

[K_W]

I still want to know how the Constitutional Carry deals with the license and prior background check requirement of the Federal Gunfree School Zone Act.

As I read it CC does not satisfy the GFZA and those passing within 1000 ft of a school are still risking felony charges, even if rarely (if ever) enforced.

Even now those carrying unsecured long guns on their person or in vehicles in Indiana (which does not license long guns) are running afoul of the law.

Just takes a future decision by ATF or a Pres./legislature to enforce the GFSZA and CC is a moot point in cities where school zones are nearly unavoidable.

The Federal GFSZA must be repealed or amended if we want to continue calling ourselves "law abiding gun owners" and still enjoy our natural rights.

Also here is an ATF letter regarding reciprocity... NO GO either. (Page 1, paragraph 5)
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/BATFLetterONGFSZ2013.pdf

 

[KellyinAvon]

I still want to know how the Constitutional Carry deals with the license and prior background check requirement of the Federal Gunfree School Zone Act.

As I read it CC does not satisfy the GFZA and those passing within 1000 ft of a school are still risking felony charges, even if rarely (if ever) enforced.

Even now those carrying unsecured long guns on their person or in vehicles in Indiana (which does not license long guns) are running afoul of the law.

Just takes a future decision by ATF or a Pres./legislature to enforce the GFSZA and CC is a moot point in cities where school zones are nearly unavoidable.

The Federal GFSZA must be repealed or amended if we want to continue calling ourselves "law abiding gun owners" and still enjoy our natural rights.

Also here is an ATF letter regarding reciprocity... NO GO either. (Page 1, paragraph 5)
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/BATFLetterONGFSZ2013.pdf

Indiana's law (from what I understand) takes precedent since it was already in-place. For example: securing a lawfully possessed firearm in a vehicle on school property has been legal since 1 July 2014. CC exists in (arguably) 14 states now.

 

[T.Lex]

I still want to know how the Constitutional Carry deals with the license and prior background check requirement of the Federal Gunfree School Zone Act.

As I read it CC does not satisfy the GFZA and those passing within 1000 ft of a school are still risking felony charges, even if rarely (if ever) enforced.

Even now those carrying unsecured long guns on their person or in vehicles in Indiana (which does not license long guns) are running afoul of the law.

Just takes a future decision by ATF or a Pres./legislature to enforce the GFSZA and CC is a moot point in cities where school zones are nearly unavoidable.

The Federal GFSZA must be repealed or amended if we want to continue calling ourselves "law abiding gun owners" and still enjoy our natural rights.

Also here is an ATF letter regarding reciprocity... NO GO either. (Page 1, paragraph 5)
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/BATFLetterONGFSZ2013.pdf

Indiana's law (from what I understand) takes precedent since it was already in-place. For example: securing a lawfully possessed firearm in a vehicle on school property has been legal since 1 July 2014. CC exists in (arguably) 14 states now.

This is a complicated issue involving "pre-emption" - not the state/local pre-emption statute that was passed a few years ago.

Technically, the federal law could still be enforced despite the Indiana law maybe having been in place first.

But, the growing tension between federal drug laws and state-level legalization creates a conceptual analogy that complicates matters even more.

 

[Trigger Time]

This is the year folks. Share the news with everyone you know that Carry's a gun. Tell them to write, make phone calls and email their reps in support. Their should be ZERO reasons this doesn't pass this year. If it doesn't it WILL be bosmas fault. If he is half the leader everyone always claims he is then he can get this done. If not time for new leadership

 

[Liberty1916]

This is the year folks. Share the news with everyone you know that Carry's a gun. Tell them to write, make phone calls and email their reps in support. Their should be ZERO reasons this doesn't pass this year. If it doesn't it WILL be bosmas fault. If he is half the leader everyone always claims he is then he can get this done. If not time for new leadership

Agreed. Zero excuses why this shouldn't pass. If it doesn't, I'm going to seriously consider going back to not voting again. I'm getting tired of voting for people who won't deliver and then take my vote for granted.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Guy is discussing CC and the 22 August meeting.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Guy mentioned there is talk of moving the 22 August meeting from room 431 to one of the chambers (the BIG room).