First off, I'm a noob. I probably haven't even shot 1k rounds in my life so I'm not sure how to proceed from here. I bought a g23 in early 2012, and aside from the perfect shot every once in a while, I consistently hit 3 or 4" low at 21ft. My brother is way better with it so I know it's not the pistol. And my groups weren't great but at least on target with both an m&p9fs and an xd9sc. Oh and it doesn't matter if it's got the stock barrel or the 9mm conversion barrel, 3 to 4" low like clockwork so I ruled out the possibility that I just suck with .40 based on that. I'm open to the notion that a g19 would be better...
So my question is should I sell it and get something I'm better with (leaning towards an m&p9c) or is it possible to fix that with training? I really don't like the idea of just accepting that I suck at shooting glocks and just getting something else, but that's probably better than betting my life on a pistol that I'm no good with...
If you and your brother shoot them all low I would suggest a range trip with someone else who shoots Glocks and has a similar model. Let him/her shoot yours and compare to your results. Shoot his/her gun and compare results. If he/she is a better shot with both as far as accuracy and precision are concerned then you know it is in the shooter and get some decent training. You may end up getting some free help from an experienced shooter with a new to you way of gripping a handgun and then you can enjoy a few hours at the range honing in that skill. If it is shooter and you do not see a quick improvement then call the day short and get training. Learning incorrectly can/will result in poor muscle memory that you will fall back into. Which is still something that I deal with.
Sorry, what I meant by that was we're both approaching it the same way, as far as sight picture. He's good with all of them, and I'm only low with the glock. I'm certain that it's all me.
First off, I'm a noob. I probably haven't even shot 1k rounds in my life so I'm not sure how to proceed from here. I bought a g23 in early 2012, and aside from the perfect shot every once in a while, I consistently hit 3 or 4" low at 21ft. My brother is way better with it so I know it's not the pistol. And my groups weren't great but at least on target with both an m&p9fs and an xd9sc. Oh and it doesn't matter if it's got the stock barrel or the 9mm conversion barrel, 3 to 4" low like clockwork so I ruled out the possibility that I just suck with .40 based on that. I'm open to the notion that a g19 would be better...
So my question is should I sell it and get something I'm better with (leaning towards an m&p9c) or is it possible to fix that with training? I really don't like the idea of just accepting that I suck at shooting glocks and just getting something else, but that's probably better than betting my life on a pistol that I'm no good with...
The trigger on a glock will make an un-trained or low round count operator shoot low. The length of take up tends to make you pull the nose down before you touch off the round. Trigger finger and grip discipline are the answer. Hard to explain but easy to show. If your brother will watch the nose of the gun as you fire it he will see it drop a bit as your trigger finger pulls back. If you need to prove this to yourself, buy or borrow a laser bore sighting tool. Un-load the gun and verify it is safe. Repeat, un-load and verify. Put the bore tool in the barrel and turn it on. Grip the gun as you normally do. Put the laser on a point and try to hold it there as you run the trigger. Most folks will find the laser will fall off point just as you reach the end of stroke on the trigger. This method will work.
Where does the sight go when you are doing dry fire practice?
Now I do take up the trigger slack to the breaking point and try to squeeze slowly, then follow through and wait let out to reset so that I can distinctly hear and feel it, then repeat. Idk if that's what you were thinking that I wasn't doing but I guess I'm not a total noob. I just didn't want anyone thinking for a second that I was blaming the glock itself...
I once noticed someone a couple lanes over using a laser, and every time they shot it jumped all over the place and none of the shots were landing correctly.
The trigger on a glock will make an un-trained or low round count operator shoot low. The length of take up tends to make you pull the nose down before you touch off the round. Trigger finger and grip discipline are the answer. Hard to explain but easy to show. If your brother will watch the nose of the gun as you fire it he will see it drop a bit as your trigger finger pulls back. If you need to prove this to yourself, buy or borrow a laser bore sighting tool. Un-load the gun and verify it is safe. Repeat, un-load and verify. Put the bore tool in the barrel and turn it on. Grip the gun as you normally do. Put the laser on a point and try to hold it there as you run the trigger. Most folks will find the laser will fall off point just as you reach the end of stroke on the trigger. This method will work.
The method I mention involves a bore laser and it is a dry fire exercise to see what you are doing and if you need to practice with different grips etc. It is also possible you are not using sight alignment properly.
I was not trying to say you were wrong in your technique but only that it may need to be "Tune up" a bit.
I have changed my grip and trigger finger technique a few times since reading in these threads. Change is sometimes awkward at first but with trigger time you can adjust.
I gotcha. Yeah the reason I mentioned the person shooting badly with the laser was that I could see how that would be a good training tool, I was amazed at the movement of it and the poor performance despite having a laser. I think I've seen what you're talking about, it's basically a cartridge that flashes a red dot where the bullet would have gone when the striker hits it?
My Sig P250 DAO was great at diagnosing recoil anticipation. It's got such a long, consistent trigger travel that everyone thinks it's going to shoot long before it actually does. Watching someone flinch two or three times per trigger pull was a highlight of bringing noob friends to the range.
Is the solution simple? Which sight picture below are you using to hit your target? If you are using sight picture #3... that might be your problem. The glock guys probably know best, but more than likely sight picture #2 is the correct sight picture for glocks.....