How would you like to be treated by law-enforcement?

[Titanium_Frost]

Honestly I just want the same respect you do.

Truce?



Since we're way off subject here now.

We can salvage the discussion, now that you know cops can't pull people over for driving to check their license let me fill you in on another FEDERAL case about OC: Federal judge rules police cannot detain people for openly carrying guns - Washington DC gun rights | Examiner.com

What it means is that if it is legal to OC in your state WITHOUT a license (like Kentucky or Ohio) police cannot stop or detain you based on OC.

It sadly does not apply to Indiana at the moment because we must have a license to OC. Even still the case law of Richardson v. Indiana says that after producing a valid LTCH all further inquiry into firearms must cease.

 

[Bennettjh]

If it is indeed that agency's policy to respond to all MWAG calls, then I would suggest something like this:

"Excuse me sir, may I please see your license to carry a handgun?"

"Thank you, have a nice day".

Perfect. Unless the individual doesn't have a license

 

[VERT]

Perfect. Unless the individual doesn't have a license

By that I assume you mean 1 of 2 things.

1) The individual does not have a license at all. In that case they are in violation of State Law and earn a free, courtesy, VIP trip in a municipal vehicle.

2) They do not have the license on them, but they do have a current and valid license. The officer should be able to easily check this information with Name and Date of Birth. This will of course now start the discussion about whether a person needs to show ID if stopped and asked about a gun. But in this situation I would think the officer would want to see something to confirm identity.

 

[chrisjross85]

First off I would like to say that I am not a cop I am a Firefighter, Cops should treat you the same as if you treat them. If there ask for your Carry permit give it to them if they ask to see your firearm let them. There jobs are bad enough the way it is, as gun owners we should help them out. Now let me say if there an ass I am going to be one as well, if I am in the right and they are wrong.

 

[melensdad]

How would I like to be treated? I'd like to be left alone. If you must interact with me then go back and see POST #3 in this thread. If you get a MWAG call via the 9-1-1 dispatch then it should probably be handled like the following, so that I am not bothered and so that you don't waste your time:

9-1-1 OPERATOR: What is your emergency?

CALLER: There is a man with a gun at the Tractor Supply!!!

9-1-1 OPERATOR: What is he doing?

CALLER: He appears to be shopping for some tools, horse feed and a farm magazine, at least that is what I can see in his shopping cart.

9-1-1 OPERATOR: So what is the emergency?

CALLER: He has a gun on his hip!!!

9-1-1 OPERATOR: Is it in a holster?

CALLER: Uh, yes?

9-1-1 OPERATOR: So what is the emergency?

CALLER: HE HAS A GUN!!!

9-1-1 OPERATOR: Sir/Maam, that is perfectly legal in this state, citizens are allowed to exercise their rights as long as they have the state issued LTCH, have passed the background checks, submitted their fingerprints, etc. In fact roughly 10% of the adults in Indiana have been issued licenses, but most people carry their guns concealed. That said, its perfectly legal to carry a handgun in an exposed holster.

IS THERE AN EMERGENCY?

CALLER: 'click'​

 

[VERT]

First off I would like to say that I am not a cop I am a Firefighter, Cops should treat you the same as if you treat them. If there ask for your Carry permit give it to them if they ask to see your firearm let them. There jobs are bad enough the way it is, as gun owners we should help them out. Now let me say if there an ass I am going to be one as well, if I am in the right and they are wrong.

Treat them the same as they treat you. - Agreed

Their jobs are bad enough.- No worse then mine. I applied for it. I collect the pay check. I agree to do it. My LEO buddies seem to do pretty well for themselves.

Let them see the license - Sure. It is illegal to carry without a licence.

Let them see the gun - Only if they have a reason. For instance I am committing a crime. In that case take me into custody. Otherwise leave the dang gun alone! Holstered guns are safe guns.

 

[cosermann]

... Let them see the gun - Only if they have a reason. For instance I am committing a crime. In that case take me into custody. Otherwise leave the dang gun alone! Holstered guns are safe guns.

Yup. Eventually, there's going to be a discharge, and/or someone is going to get shot because of unnecessary coon fingering during such encounters.

Then whose fault will it be?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Yup. Eventually, there's going to be a discharge, and/or someone is going to get shot because of unnecessary coon fingering during such encounters.

Then whose fault will it be?

The [STRIKE]subject's[/STRIKE] citizen's. Just ask Harless, he'll have his job back soon.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Teary eyed and butthurt? I didn't tell anyone to[STRIKE] shut up [/STRIKE]shut their mouth and I consider that rude and disrespectful.
I only referenced the liberal comment because he made it appear that he was too good to provide references. If you got butthurt over that ....ummmm.... so sad.

I had no idea of the case name, I just happened to have read it before and knew it to be a fact, sorry I could not be of further help

 

[Titanium_Frost]

I had no idea of the case name, I just happened to have read it before and knew it to be a fact, sorry I could not be of further help

Completely useless, as usual, liberal.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Completely useless, as usual, liberal.

I still laughed, because you changed your sig line, now I miss it.

Radical

 

[shadohman]

You understand that it is illegal to carry a handgun in Indiana unless you have a permit. (Or license. I apologize to the poster who believes me to be ignorant because I called the license a permit. I've been around for a while and we used to always call them a Triple-P or Personal Protection Permit.)

You forgot about IC 35-47-2-2 Excepted persons which allows LEO's to carry without breaking the law.

 

[griffin]

Does Delaware have some juristiction here in Indiana? Or do we really use court cases from other states to help decide on cases here in Indiana?

It was a SCOTUS case. Since you have no idea, let me explain: Supreme Court of the United States of America.

I am NOT a lawyer.

No one here noticed.

Although we all did notice you were too lazy to even click on the Wikipedia link, never mind the case law.

People ask for links as proof, then are too lazy to click on them.

 

[griffin]

Cops...if they ask to see your firearm let them.

Um, no.

Problem is I can't stop them, but I won't do it willingly and will attempt to convince them the safest course is for it to remain holstered.

 

[HobbyGuy]

I'll take them from anyone. You might even get one from me next time I see you out.

I am off on vacation. After Saturday night, I could use a vacation. Thanks for the offer.

You are welcome to stop by my business. But since I have diabetes the chocolate chip cookies are sugar free. But I would share one with you.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

I mind my own business and expect them to mind theirs. I like being left the F**K alone. If there MUST be contact, I expect them to act as servants and treat me with respect and in accordance with the law.

 

[KG1]

LEO: "Nice gun."

Me: "Thanks."

Can't get any more simple than that.

 

[GetA2J]

It was a SCOTUS case. Since you have no idea, let me explain: Supreme Court of the United States of America. No one here noticed.

Although we all did notice you were too lazy to even click on the Wikipedia link, never mind the case law.

People ask for links as proof, then are too lazy to click on them.

Got yer zinger in there didn't ya?
This never gets old does it?

 

[melensdad]

Got yer zinger in there didn't ya?
This never gets old does it?

I saw no zinger in there. Why would you ask for evidence then ignore it when its presented?

Seems to me that you are the one who is clearly uninformed, and when information is provided you choose to ignore it. Now you seem butthurt by the fact that the truth is shown to you/about you. WTF?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I mind my own business and expect them to mind theirs. I like being left the F**K alone. If there MUST be contact, I expect them to act as servants and treat me with respect and in accordance with the law.

I'll treat you with as much respect as you deserve. But I am in no way your "servant" and won't cowtow to you.