Stop with the name-calling. This will be the only warning.
Didn't Realize churchmouse was a name. Apologies to you and I will apologize to him.
Stop with the name-calling. This will be the only warning.
Really......man that hurts so bad I will be sucking my thumb in the dark sobbing all night. Wow....
If you knew me (and you do not) you would not go with the names and childish remarks. I could really care less what you feel "Fits" Do not let the handle influence you as to who I am
It was and still is not the best idea. I am glad this young man came out OK. I will bet you a lunch that his affiliation with a law firm was a part of his timely release. Also the fact he broke no laws.
They allow panhandling on corners and do not site those folks. He had to trump up something to CHA and escape with any dignity.
I suppose you were there....leading the fight for gun owner ship.....not there, figures. Neither was I and I live 20 minutes away.
I avoid confrontational situations as I do not play well with idiots...period. When confronted by idiocy I respond in kind and that has never ended well for anyone involved. If you knew me (you do not) you would know that.
Enjoy.
No arrest was made??? In what universe???
It appears at least a few of you are starting to understand why what the kid did was wrong. For the rest of you.....when we talk about those who should not have guns, we're talking about you. Going to this event to purposely cause a confrontation with the police, which is exactly what the kid did, is immature and suggestive of an intellect we don't want in possession of a firearm. If you think what he did was proper, you are just as much a part of the problem as is he.
Also in this thread we see several examples of those who want to play former policeman, etc. It's easy to be who you want to be in the Internet. However, after a while, your true identity comes through in the posts you make. You're not fooling anyone......
It appears at least a few of you are starting to understand why what the kid did was wrong. For the rest of you.....when we talk about those who should not have guns, we're talking about you. Going to this event to purposely cause a confrontation with the police, which is exactly what the kid did, is immature and suggestive of an intellect we don't want in possession of a firearm. If you think what he did was proper, you are just as much a part of the problem as is he.
Also in this thread we see several examples of those who want to play former policeman, etc. It's easy to be who you want to be in the Internet. However, after a while, your true identity comes through in the posts you make. You're not fooling anyone......
It appears at least a few of you are starting to understand why what the kid did was wrong. For the rest of you.....when we talk about those who should not have guns, we're talking about you. Going to this event to purposely cause a confrontation with the police, which is exactly what the kid did, is immature and suggestive of an intellect we don't want in possession of a firearm. If you think what he did was proper, you are just as much a part of the problem as is he.
Also in this thread we see several examples of those who want to play former policeman, etc. It's easy to be who you want to be in the Internet. However, after a while, your true identity comes through in the posts you make. You're not fooling anyone......
That is absolutely ridiculous. I didn't attend to confront the police, I attended to get some phenomenal deals from sellers who were unaware of the value of their guns. If exercising our rights is confrontational in your book, I truly hope you never have any type of interaction with the police.
It appears at least a few of you are starting to understand why what the kid did was wrong. For the rest of you.....when we talk about those who should not have guns, we're talking about you. Going to this event to purposely cause a confrontation with the police, which is exactly what the kid did, is immature and suggestive of an intellect we don't want in possession of a firearm. If you think what he did was proper, you are just as much a part of the problem as is he.
Also in this thread we see several examples of those who want to play former policeman, etc. It's easy to be who you want to be in the Internet. However, after a while, your true identity comes through in the posts you make. You're not fooling anyone......
Indianapolis: Gun buyback on School Property (where it's a felony to have a gun)
I posted a link to our thread, Welcome NC folks!
Well let's see........Seeing as he wasn't taken to jail, fingerprinted, mug shot, and arraigned (or given a summons to a date for arraignment)........this one.
I'm defining the act of arrest by the one accepted in the real world, not by what you think it is......along with the terms kidnapping and robbery.
In the LEGAL world, when an individual is detained and is not free to leave, that person is under arrest. The fact that they have a change of heart and release the person without charges doesn't change that.
Yeah, I guess that Terry v. Ohio isn't real law.
I tried to warn folks not to Pi$$ with the Po-Po but no, gotta go and get hand cuffed. Notg a good idea guys. It was a LEO show and not to be screwed with. You wonder what folks are thinking. Hope it is not serious.
Edit...so Jdmack 79 just had to get a deal on a questionable at best firearm from an unknown individual in plain view of the LEO.....Brilliant move.
Yeah, I guess that Terry v. Ohio isn't real law.
He was cited on a ordinance violation, contrary to your statement.
Well now that I've stirred the pot playing Devil's advocate for the police, I'm going to share some thoughts. Apply purple as applicable.
There are many more, but these seem to fit the evolution of this thread.
- Life isn't fair.
- Police officers are human and fallible, and occasionally corrupt.
- Its not a crime for police officers to make a mistake. Mistakes of fact, as well as mistakes of law.
- Sometimes telling the difference between mistakes and corruption, requires more than just a cursory review.
- Cops don't screw cops. But when cops screw cops, cops screw cops.
- There is no excuse for ignorance of the law.
- The world is largely run by lawyers, and before that, it was largely run by religion. Not much of a pragmatic change.
- Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse, but what are the qualifications again to be a police officer?
- Looking good is better than doing good.
- Justice and fairness are not synonymous.
- The courts aren't about finding the truth, despite insisting upon the truth when submitting testimony and other evidence.
- When you mess with the bull, often time you get the horn.
- Armchair quarterbacking or Monday morning quarterbacking is just that.
- Television and film isn't real life, despite what Hollywood insists.
- Common sense is uncommon practice.
- Sometimes what you see, isn't what is really happening.
- Perception is politics.
- Politics is perception.
I watched the detention of the JDMack79, from beginning to end. I've already stated that he didn't appear to have done anything wrong or illegal. However, I'm open minded enough to know that what I see, isn't always what is occurring.
If anybody want to know what really happened, the facts have to come out first. The only way that I am aware of this happening, is for the legal system to do its job. This is the only way that anything will change the next time someone wants to privately purchase a firearm; because if the police can do this, this time........they can keep you from doing it on INGO classifieds.
Many police officers have a God-complex, akin to many physicians, lawyers, judges, bureaucrats, and politicians. The reason being, is that they're enabled to do so. If you want to changed the mentality, changing their leadership is required. This isn't an easy task.
Of course, now we have the armchair quarterbacking, stating that he was arrested, kidnapped, and robbed. That may be a perception of a few, but it isn't what really happened. Overreacting doesn't help the cause of gun owners, so lets try to remain focused here.
For the sake of brevity, I won't go into a 3 page dissertation of my thoughts of what occurred and related to the above, but know this:
IMO, JDMack79's civil rights were violated, by mistake or by design. Such is apparent by his lack of arrest, as well as by the issued citation that didn't meet the elements of the offense.
Secondly, from a sensible standpoint, JDMack79's common sense wasn't firing on all cylinders as well......unless it was his point to be detained and/or arrested. From a legal standpoint he was absolutely correct, but could have exercised a bit more discretion to avoid this unfortunate situation.
End of rant.