Gr666mer Updates

[Tombs]

Trump going third party is the scorched earth/burn it down option, it won't magically accomplish anything else. It's a Butch Cassidy and Sundance moment, go down swinging if you're going down anyway

If there were a viable fourth party with equivalent draw on the left, that might throw open the door to break the unipartry - but either new party could win it

I don't see either wing of the uniparty suddenly getting religion on doing the people's business just because they survive a third party scare

Trump runs 3rd party, RFK runs 4th party.

Would absolutely devastate the uniparty beyond any repair.

There'd need to be some gentleman's agreement to make this happen successfully though, with both advocating for each other to get some new viable parties in the running. I think they'd also need more time to make this happen, than the time we have left.

I could see it happen, it's less far fetched than the "2 more weeks" nonsense everyone was clinging to for years.

Make it a campaign issue.

 

[BugI02]

Trump runs 3rd party, RFK runs 4th party.

Would absolutely devastate the uniparty beyond any repair.

There'd need to be some gentleman's agreement to make this happen successfully though, with both advocating for each other to get some new viable parties in the running. I think they'd also need more time to make this happen, than the time we have left.

Agreed, that is the only way I can see to break the system rather than just entrench one wing of the uniparty

It would imply accepting that RFKjr might win it all, so his bona fides would need to be well established since he is from a discredited dynasty. Trust is in short supply

 

[Shadow01]

Nah just keep putting biden back in until the citizens are willing to actually do something about it

 

[BugI02]

Nah just keep putting biden back in until the citizens are willing to actually do something about it

No, no! DeSantis (or somebody) will save us!

The most popular sitting president ever makes no sense as a candidate

 

[jamil]

No, no! DeSantis (or somebody) will save us!

The most popular sitting president ever makes no sense as a candidate

Most popular sitting president ever? Did Sydney Powell tell you that?

 

[BugI02]

Most popular sitting president ever? Did Sydney Powell tell you that?

He received more votes than any sitting president in history. Stick that in your 'I don't have a guy' pipe and smoke it

He was also the first president in quite some time to get more votes in his second run than in his first. Even Obama couldn't pull that off

Meanwhile, 'not your guy' puts up about the same numbers as DeWine, and suddenly he's da' bomb

 

[jamil]

He received more votes than any sitting president in history. Stick that in your 'I don't have a guy' pipe and smoke it

He was also the first president in quite some time to get more votes in his second run than in his first. Even Obama couldn't pull that off

Meanwhile, 'not your guy' puts up about the same numbers as DeWine, and suddenly he's da' bomb

I figured that's your angle. The 2020 election was quite extraordinary. How many people voted for Trump because they WANTED him, rather than because it was the only non-default choice? And after 1/6, how many of them regretted voting for Trump? For all his popularity, Joe Biden, a senile old man, beat Trump in popularity by 6 million votes.

BTW, I don't have a "I don't have a guy" pipe. I don't smoke.

 

[BugI02]

I figured that's your angle. The 2020 election was quite extraordinary. How many people voted for Trump because they WANTED him, rather than because it was the only non-default choice?

But, but, but

You disputed a fact and demanded proof and when given that again you prevaricate

Win or lose, he is the first sitting president since Reagan to increase his vote count the second time. Proven popularity in the country as a whole vs DeWine-like popularity in just one state

 

[buckwacker]

I thought this was the groomer thread.

 

[BugI02]

I thought this was the groomer thread.

You are correct. jamil tries to groom America First voters to support DeRomneyis

Back to your regular scheduled thread subject

 

[Cameramonkey]

Back to your regular scheduled thread subject

Thank you.

 

[jamil]

But, but, but

You disputed a fact and demanded proof and when given that again you prevaricate

Win or lose, he is the first sitting president since Reagan to increase his vote count the second time. Proven popularity in the country as a whole vs DeWine-like popularity in just one state

I think you’re confused. That’s not prevaricating. So let me use the same logic as you.

Joe Biden is the most popular presidential candidate in history. Prove me wrong.

 

[HoosierLife]

Back to Groomers. YMCA is ok with freaks getting their freak on in front of little girls.

Man Who Identifies as a Woman Cleared of Flashing Penis in Front of Minors at Ohio YMCA

A man who identifies as a woman has been cleared of exposing his genitals in front of minors in a women's changing room at a YMCA.

www.breitbart.com

 

[jamil]

Back to Groomers. YMCA is ok with freaks getting their freak on in front of little girls.

Man Who Identifies as a Woman Cleared of Flashing Penis in Front of Minors at Ohio YMCA

A man who identifies as a woman has been cleared of exposing his genitals in front of minors in a women's changing room at a YMCA.

www.breitbart.com

I’d like to get @XMil’s take on that. Should a biological male be able to exploit pro-trans policies, proclaim that he’s a woman, and then pursue his perversions with impunity?

It happens. But because the policies require believing all trans claim’s without any vetting, it puts women with actual real vaginas in danger. Do trans rights outweigh women’s rights?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Why are we still flushing tax dollars down the toilet on this dinosaur?

"OETA, to us, is an outdated system. You know, the big, big question is why are we spending taxpayer dollars to prop up or compete with the private sector and run television stations? And then when you go through all of the programing that's happening and the indoctrination and over-sexualization of our children, it's just really problematic, and it doesn't line up with Oklahoma values," Stitt told Fox News Digital.

Oklahoma's Kevin Stitt pulls the plug on PBS, removing state funding after promotion of drag for kids

Last week, Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt made a controversial move and vetoed a bill that comes across the governor's desk every year: Funding for the state's PBS affiliates.

notthebee.com

 

[Sigblitz]

You need a master's to teach dual credit, students will have college credit in high school.
My daughter will have hers in a couple weeks.

And my daughter today got teacher of the year in her county school system.

 

[Ingomike]

Awww, defunding of PBS because they were grooming, hope this begins a trend…

“Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt is defending his decision to defund the state’s PBS station over its “indoctrination and over-sexualization of our children.”​

Oklahoma Governor Stitt Defends Defunding State's PBS Station Over 'Indoctrination and Over-Sexualization of Our Children' | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

Oklahoma Gov.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Ingomike]

Why are we still flushing tax dollars down the toilet on this dinosaur?

"OETA, to us, is an outdated system. You know, the big, big question is why are we spending taxpayer dollars to prop up or compete with the private sector and run television stations? And then when you go through all of the programing that's happening and the indoctrination and over-sexualization of our children, it's just really problematic, and it doesn't line up with Oklahoma values," Stitt told Fox News Digital.

Oklahoma's Kevin Stitt pulls the plug on PBS, removing state funding after promotion of drag for kids

Last week, Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt made a controversial move and vetoed a bill that comes across the governor's desk every year: Funding for the state's PBS affiliates.

notthebee.com

Missed this earlier.

 

[actaeon277]

Apparently some students in 'Commiefornia' are fed up

 

[XMil]

There are people who spend months to years preparing vulnerable people for blatant sexual abuse.

The only actual, large problem with this in the US is the clergy.

I don't see how the final two sentences of the preceding follow from any of the previous. In fact, the only people I know who believe that males and females are the same except for genitalia are people who agree with modern critical gender ideology.

If you are so afraid that "gender ideology" can convert people, it must be because you believe that you can convert kids, meaning you think they could go either way and it just depends on the training. In other words, you think the bodies are different, but the brains are identical and they just need the right software put in them. I think this stems from the fact that vocal homophobes are often same sex attracted and they are making a big show to cover it up, and they figure most people are like them. Otherwise it wouldn't matter.

I could talk to someone all day about the joy of Brussels sprouts, but if you don't like them, you can't be talked into it.

We may more directly part ways here - I don't believe in a legal theory that others need to affirm us or our beliefs. For instance, my wife and I are from different races and religions (and continents!) There are people who would say that our marriage is illegitimate for one or both of the first two items of that list.

I think you missed the point. It's about being ostracized AND while already facing a road harder than most people can imagine. Most people can't take that.

On the topic of living our own truth and affirmation. This is very inconsistently used by gender ideologues. The I identify and therefore I am mantra doesn't seem to bear scrutiny. We can make a really extreme example like suppose a person as epileptic seizures and during these fits sees visions from God. The modern pro-gender atheist cannot accept this person's truth as truth. Less extreme but somewhat common these days is trans-racialism. One push back on this is that we have separate words for gender and sex, but there is no word for racial-self-identity, but this is merely a semantic point and we can introduce sexual-self-identity and racial-self-identity to put those on equal terms. But one is vilified for being transracial and applauded for transgender (there are pins and flags and t-shirts and every other thing one can imagine for pride). Certainly in 2023, genuine transracial persons are socially disincentivized much more than transgendered persons (gender/sexual-self-identity critics would also be critical of racial-self-identity). Overall, there's nothing about I identify and therefore I am that seems to translate into any other topic.

When I hear "gender ideologue" I take it that the person saying has no idea what they are talking about and it just parroting some dumb talking points. The only "gender ideology" I know of is people trying not be oppressed because they run afoul of people with 1950's levels of scientific understanding.

It seems like if you understood what I wrote about identity, you would understand that "transracialism" doesn't have a basis in science.

It's understandable that you have a knee-jerk reaction to the church. It's unsurprising that God Fearing Gun Toting would include 666 in the title of the thread about groomers, I mean, it's not out of the question for a God fearing individual to use religious language. I typically try to keep faith out of my arguments having been around other scientists and find myself injecting physics lingo when I struggle to grab an appropriate word in English. But it's not fair to compare general religious teaching to grooming because like more general teaching, religious teaching is widely varied. For instance, the Big Bang hypothesis was formed by a priest, along with many other seminal works in all of the natural sciences.

Knee-jerk? That just seems like a failed insult and I'm not really sure what you're saying.

As for the source of the drama - I think you're quite mistaken here. Gender ideology is a critical theory - the ideology requires the assumption of a designed oppressive system that must be destroyed. Gender critics are gleefully the provocateurs, that's part of the social mission.

Again, this is dumb. There is not a "social mission" outside of don't get tortured and legislated into the stone age by uneducated zealots.

The government is already in our doctor's office, and beyond just the transition topic.
Back to gender:
Gender ideologues want to make it a crime to not transition a child, to provide barriers for parent's knowledge of transitioning children in school in secret. Not only do gender activists advocate for the rights of adults to transition but in fact to subvert familial structure. And then have the gall to tell parents that they don't know their own children nor do they have rights to ensure that their children are not being brainwashed by some people who pays no penalty when he/she is wrong, and is in fact patted on the back for "inclusivity."

Nobody is trying to subvert family structure. Nobody is "brainwashing" children to "convert them". Schools SHOULD protect children who are being abused. It should be a crime to prevent children getting medical care. I can't really point out directly the source of this demonization of a group of people, but we all know who it is. It's always the same crowd. The same crowd that kept YOUR marriage illegal during my lifetime until they were made to stop.