You posted something, ergo you are wrongProve me wrong.
You posted something, ergo you are wrongProve me wrong.
Correct. There really is no point in having a discussion if one person is coming from a stance of reason, logic and observations, while the other person is arguing from a foundation of superstition.Which is why I said I probably wouldn't find common ground with you or Route 45.
Are humans the only creatures on the planet which experience environmental factors?No one was justifying behavior. Just saying that the claim that it has to be nurture and can’t be nature is disproven with evidence that the behavior also happens among other species, and with no apparent “Satan made them do it” reasoning.
Well, by rejecting all religious principles and quite a few moral ones (because it has to be your truth, of course) you are 2/3 to 3/4 of the way to nihilism. Bravo!The study on the lesbo gorillas was from like 2015, or 2016.
But, again, no one here is justifying behavior. I’m just saying that these studies suggest it’s not all nurture. I have no book that makes me have to doubt those findings.
It does not hurt me at all. I don’t need it to to be a certain way to protect a belief. From your perspective, if gayness is nature, it kinda calls into question certain beliefs especially among Protestants.
I don’t think it has to. Gayness, pedophilia, even killing one’s young, if those happen abnormally naturally, it doesn’t excuse anything. You still get to believe homosexual acts are sinful. It doesn’t need to hurt one’s Christian faith.
You don’t have to believe God made them that way. It’s a fallen world that brought disease and all sorts of things. Did God give my Dad cancer? Nah. He inherited some bad genes. And he practically swam in pesticides and herbicides for his garden. Some of that was nature and some of that was nurture.
Dude, 'god made them that way' is the slipperiest of all slippery slopesThe study on the lesbo gorillas was from like 2015, or 2016.
But, again, no one here is justifying behavior. I’m just saying that these studies suggest it’s not all nurture. I have no book that makes me have to doubt those findings.
It does not hurt me at all. I don’t need it to to be a certain way to protect a belief. From your perspective, if gayness is nature, it kinda calls into question certain beliefs especially among Protestants.
I don’t think it has to. Gayness, pedophilia, even killing one’s young, if those happen abnormally naturally, it doesn’t excuse anything. You still get to believe homosexual acts are sinful. It doesn’t need to hurt one’s Christian faith.
You don’t have to believe God made them that way. It’s a fallen world that brought disease and all sorts of things. Did God give my Dad cancer? Nah. He inherited some bad genes. And he practically swam in pesticides and herbicides for his garden. Some of that was nature and some of that was nurture.
Which is which?Correct. There really is no point in having a discussion if one person is coming from a stance of reason, logic and observations, while the other person is arguing from a foundation of superstition.
Beg the question much?Correct. There really is no point in having a discussion if one person is coming from a stance of reason, logic and observations, while the other person is arguing from a foundation of superstition.
I mean, I don’t subsidize your poor reading comprehension and you keep being bad at it.Dude, 'god made them that way' is the slipperiest of all slippery slopes
Presumably under that gestalt, your idea of god made Hannibal Lecter the way he was, too - so it's not his fault! I guess you're just not big on impulse control, which would seem to be at odds with the whole 'issues viewed carefully from all sides' schtick, too
You subsidize something, you get more of it. Crime or gayness, the results are the same
Maybe you should start reading things through before posting nonsense.Well, by rejecting all religious principles and quite a few moral ones (because it has to be your truth, of course) you are 2/3 to 3/4 of the way to nihilism. Bravo!
How is that right behavior arising naturally from right thinking thing working out for you?
I would not classify religion per se as superstition. It’s well enough just to leave it at religion.Which is which?
Isn't this a bit like you're a white supremacist, sexist, bigot so your opinion is invalid and therefore I don't need to employ logic and reason to describe the superiority of my position.
No. Not even close. There are observable facts and there are beliefs, and they are not the same thing.Which is which?
Isn't this a bit like you're a white supremacist, sexist, bigot so your opinion is invalid and therefore I don't need to employ logic and reason to describe the superiority of my position.
If we're talking the source of morality, isn't your position as much one of belief as is mine? To claim otherwise is to claim omnipotence.No. Not even close. There are observable facts and there are beliefs, and they are not the same thing.
But like I said, I’m done. I can’t compete with magic and little red Devils with pitchforks.
I can’t speak for others, but in my own view I’d say my perspective is more from a freethinking viewpoint mixed with just a wee bit of consequentialism and a heavy dose of instinct. So those are based on things one can know, and not derived from a faith in supernatural.If we're talking the source of morality, isn't your position as much one of belief as is mine? To claim otherwise is to claim omnipotence.
But at the end of the day it's still a belief, unless you're omnipotent, which is an impossibility.I can’t speak for others, but in my own view I’d say my perspective is more from a freethinking viewpoint mixed with just a wee bit of consequentialism and a heavy dose of instinct. So those are based on things one can know, and not derived from a faith in supernatural.
But at the end of the day it's still a belief, unless you're omnipotent, which is an impossibility.
Of course. Both are beliefs though. They stand at opposite ends of the belief confidence spectrum.By definition, faith and knowledge are two different things.
Blame the wood chipper?Where should blame be laid? For me, the wood chipper comment up thread should give you an idea where I think the blame lies.