GPS Tracking Beacon placed on 'suspect' vehicle without warrant

[Bunnykid68]

If they want to touch my vehicle , how about changing the oil for me

 

[dross]

Ok, let's be honest now. How many here has crawled under their vehicle and checked for a GPS?

Not for GPS, but for a while after Cape Fear came out, I admit I did check for Robert Di Niro.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Hey man I have no doubt that you are NOT a terrorist or a criminal. I also did not imply that you were.

As for the device I recovered it was in fact a tracking device. It was outside of the vehicle and there is no way it could have recorded cell phone conversations or any conversations at all. This thing was 3/8 OD and 1/4" tall with a very, very strong unidirectional magnet(Magnetic all around the thing). It required the use of a leatherman tool to remove due to it's small size and powerful magnet. The magnet is powerful enough that it does not have to be placed on the vehicle directly. It can be placed on the ground in the path where the target vehicle will drive over it. No kidding it is that strong. This one had been on the vehicle for over one year and was loosing transmit power.

They didn't trick me. I was merely returning a favor for some work they had done for me. Work that got a once convicted gun carrying murderer back where he belonged (Federal Prison) for a VERY long time. I will be long retired when this POS gets out.

By the way, a warrant for phone type taps ect. is very hard to get from my understanding. But that type of stuff is way above my little insignificant peon status.

i didnt mean the GPS recorded the cells. they have programs that do it off the satelites for all communications. its all digital now, even land lines.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Do tell. Seriously. What did it look like and where did they stash it?

sorry, in this case, I wont be that guy.

 

[Bunnykid68]

sorry, in this case, I wont be that guy.

Since you wont be that guy, you are no longer invited on my poodle hunt next weekend

 

[E5RANGER375]

Since you wont be that guy, you are no longer invited on my poodle hunt next weekend

i'll tell you in person, just not over the internet

 

[Bunnykid68]

i'll tell you in person, just not over the internet

Fair enough and I will hold you to that

 

[j706]

i didnt mean the GPS recorded the cells. they have programs that do it off the satelites for all communications. its all digital now, even land lines.

Clear on that now. I really don't know anything about covert type stuff at all.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Fair enough and I will hold you to that

so im good for the poodle hunt?

 

[E5RANGER375]

Clear on that now. I really don't know anything about covert type stuff at all.

i dont know that much either. i've got a couple friends who work in those circles and I just know what they decide to share

 

[mrjarrell]

In a related case, the .gov is wanting another case just like this one, to be heard by the SCOTUS ASAP. They really want cops to not have to obtain warrants to place these devices on peoples cars. Total surveillance is the name of the game, from cradle to grave. Nothing satisfies them.

My Way News - Gov't asks high court to take GPS tracking case

 

[rambone]

In a related case, the .gov is wanting another case just like this one, to be heard by the SCOTUS ASAP. They really want cops to not have to obtain warrants to place these devices on peoples cars. Total surveillance is the name of the game, from cradle to grave. Nothing satisfies them.

My Way News - Gov't asks high court to take GPS tracking case

That's nice how Obama takes an interest in oppressing civil rights the way he does.

 

[jbombelli]

In a related case, the .gov is wanting another case just like this one, to be heard by the SCOTUS ASAP. They really want cops to not have to obtain warrants to place these devices on peoples cars. Total surveillance is the name of the game, from cradle to grave. Nothing satisfies them.

My Way News - Gov't asks high court to take GPS tracking case

And here we have yet another push to limit the definition of the term "unreasonable" by those who collect paychecks from the government. Our rights often just get in the way, and make it hard to bust bad guys, so we obviously don't need them. Right?

 

[E5RANGER375]

And here we have yet another push to limit the definition of the term "unreasonable" by those who collect paychecks from the government. Our rights often just get in the way, and make it hard to bust bad guys, so we obviously don't need them. Right?

time for a restructure. people need to vote only for people who have never been a part of the government. if i was running for office that would be my platform "you know i've never screwed you because i have never been a politician before"

 

[88GT]

I've got an ongoing discussion with a lawyer friend. Seems he comes down on the side of the GPS being okay because the information itself was in the public domain. I keep trying to bring up the fact that it took a violation in the security of the individual's EFFECTS in order to get this information via the GPS and THAT is what makes it unreasonable. You can't place a listening device on an individual just because he's sitting at a bar and can easily hear is conversation that is in the public domain. I don't see why they should be able to place a tracking device on the vehicle.

Between this and the glove box thing, I'm thinking vehicles may soon be completely unprotected.

 

[Love the 1911]

Here's my problem with this article:

The Justice Department said GPS devices are especially useful in early stages of an investigation, when they can eliminate the use of time-consuming stakeouts as officers seek to gather evidence.

If the case is important enough, dedicating an officer to "collecting evidence" would not be a bid deal. In order to violate someone's rights, PC must be present. We can't violate rights in order to obtain the PC. Just get a warrant.

 

[mrjarrell]

I am reminded of what a City Attorney said in an article I read this morning.

The Seattle City Attorney's office says it has not advised police specifically on this issue, but adds: "There should be no expectation of privacy on the part of somebody with a driver's license."

While it's in regards to the license plate cameras, it's easy to see where their attitudes really are.
Police license plate cameras raise privacy concerns - Seattle News - MyNorthwest.com

 

[longbow]

Not only have many courts OK'ed this, but they have also upheld rulings that the device cannot be legally removed, disabled, or destroyed by the owner of the car. Evidently, the device still is .gov property, even though it is on your car.

Something like that shows up on my car, I'll slap some postage on it and send it to Antarctica.

I'd like to see them try after I do a Ingo show and tell.....