Getting an impounded Firearm from Evidence, City County Building Downtown Indy

[bwframe]

Thank you Mr Essex! Excellent work.

Hopefully this expose will prompt some or all of our 2A organizations to take action on this?


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[KellyinAvon]

@ESSEX I saw the report (old school, on the TV) last night. Thank you for your work on this. Honestly I'm surprised this was allowed to go forward. It exposes serious Constitutional issues that even the ATF guy raised a flag on.

Now, where do we go from here? If the best TPTB (Asst Chief Bailey in this case) can do is, "We've been doin it this way over 50 years..." and "we're doing a top to bottom review on ourselves..." well this needs fixed.

It was good to see you reached out to Guy (Relford) on this. While primarily in the 2nd, he does practice in other Amendments.

We are in the 3rd quarter at the General Assembly now. Start now for 2024? Senator Freeman seems like a logical start since his district is in Indianapolis and he chairs the Courts and Criminal Code Committee.

Anybody live in Aaron's district?

 

[RCB]

While our "conservative" lawmakers seem to be hot to trot on depriving us of 4th Amendment rights currently, it might still be worth contacting state representatives. If you can find a sympathetic ear, you may even be able to give a statement on the floor to express issues. A state law on returning property after a given amount of time, to the person it was take from (if not stolen) would do a lot. I don't think I have a receipt for any of my guns. Several of the guns shops I have bought from no longer exist. Particularly bad news considering this state's love of Red Flag.

 

[Joniki]

IMPD policy on seized guns called into question

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department has thousands of guns in its property room. Many of the guns have been connected to a crime. Some of them have not. The police department sends every single gun to the ballistic lab for testing. The data is sent to the federal...

www.wishtv.com

Nicely done!

 

[BigMoose]

Definitely not a rank and file issue, and more of an issue with massive IMPD civilian core bureaucracy and apathy. Combined with leadership that just didn't care to dig any deeper.

Still there are two separate issues. Testing every gun is one thing, but guns will -still- sit years after being tested without going back to the owners.

Good job on the Article.

 

[Brandon]

Anybody live in Aaron's district?

I believe there are a few of us.

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

@ESSEX doing God's work

 

[printcraft]

While our "conservative" lawmakers seem to be hot to trot on depriving us of 4th Amendment rights currently, it might still be worth contacting state representatives. If you can find a sympathetic ear, you may even be able to give a statement on the floor to express issues. A state law on returning property after a given amount of time, to the person it was take from (if not stolen) would do a lot. I don't think I have a receipt for any of my guns. Several of the guns shops I have bought from no longer exist. Particularly bad news considering this state's love of Red Flag.

The entire “prove you own it” is complete and total ********.
They know WHO it was taken from at the time, it’s in your possession. If it’s NOT listed as stolen RETURN IT.

“Hey, you dropped your phone back there, I have it but I’m not going to give it to you unless you show me your receipt from when you bought it.”
“GIVE ME MY PHONE!”
“Nah, might be stolen, I’m going to test for fingerprints and call Apple”

 

[BigMoose]

Ohh the stories I could tell you tell you about the IMPD Civilian blue jumpsuit administrative core. Yeah they actually have a uniform for them. Though not everyone actually wears it. Anyway I digress, lets just say they are as hard to deal with to even other city agencies, as they are to Joe Q Public..

And its just not a city employee thing. Most other agencies are pretty easy to deal with.

I don't think they pay the IMPD civilians enough, and as such, really don't get the quality applicants they likely should have in these roles.

 

[Hop]

I'm sure the initial argument will be made that inanimate objects have no 4th amendment rights and call it done. (and maintain status quo)

So who has the deep pockets to sue the city?

I spent nearly what my pistol was worth having Kirk threaten to sue for "conversion". Don't tell him, but I was willing to break open my piggy bank to go ahead with the lawsuit had IMPD not released my pistol.

 

[manifest destiny]

What if a turd is confiscated by the police, do they hold it indefinitely until the owner can prove ownership?

 

[gassprint1]

@ESSEX doing God's work

So now ESSEX needs to continue this story straight to the governor. I doubt the mayor will care how things are.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

So now ESSEX needs to continue this story straight to the governor. I doubt the mayor will care how things are.

I don't know that Holcomb would concern himself with a Marion County/Indianapolis issue though.

 

[gassprint1]

I don't know that Holcomb would concern himself with a Marion County/Indianapolis issue though.

Being he lives in indy, works there and signed important gun laws..i would think he might get involved. Pretty sure he is a citizen of that county.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Being he lives in indy, works there and signed important gun laws..i would think he might get involved. Pretty sure he is a citizen of that county.

He does, and is, but his focus is on state issues and not city issues (as it should be). If this were a statewide problem (and it doesn't appear to be), then he might get involved. This is a local problem and needs to be addressed locally IMHO.

 

[gassprint1]

He does, and is, but his focus is on state issues and not city issues (as it should be). If this were a statewide problem (and it doesn't appear to be), then he might get involved. This is a local problem and needs to be addressed locally IMHO.

Understood. I wonder if it happens all over the state and we just don't hear about it.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Understood. I wonder if it happens all over the state and we just don't hear about it.

I'm sure it might happen in some of the larger cities (especially dem-controlled cities). Probably not in most in Indiana though.

 

[gassprint1]

I'm sure it might happen in some of the larger cities (especially dem-controlled cities). Probably not in most in Indiana though.

With as much interaction on these forums with you, we would probably talk about things for hours on the phone..lol

 

[DoggyDaddy]

With as much interaction on these forums with you, we would probably talk about things for hours on the phone..lol

I don't know about that. I hate talking on the phone.

 

[gassprint1]

I don't know about that. I hate talking on the phone.

I hate texting lol