El Paso active shooter

[Expat]

That's interesting, because you are ***ahem*** older, making your father a bit older as well. It's surprising that he was so forward thinking given the era he was from. I have long dead relatives from that era that didn't like the idea at all. I'd imagine that most people from that time didn't look too fondly on the idea.

That was my impression when I was younger. Most people white or black, didn't much like the idea. My mom's family was a little different for some reason.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

That's interesting, because you are ***ahem*** older, making your father a bit older as well. It's surprising that he was so forward thinking given the era he was from. I have long dead relatives from that era that didn't like the idea at all. I'd imagine that most people from that time didn't look too fondly on the idea.

Peoples' views sometimes change over time also. When I was very young, my dad was very "Archie Bunker"-like in his attitudes. Not really a rabid racist or anything, but if anything, fairly typical of a white conservative of the time. I remember it was a "big deal" when my oldest sister dated a Jewish guy. Also a big deal when she eventually married a Catholic (this was in the early to mid-1960's). Many years later, there was a couple that were very close friends of my parents and the husband was black and the wife was white (and German). I watched my dad's views towards things like that go through quite a transformation over the years.

 

[2A_Tom]

Peoples' views sometimes change over time also. When I was very young, my dad was very "Archie Bunker"-like in his attitudes. Not really a rabid racist or anything, but if anything, fairly typical of a white [STRIKE]conservative[/STRIKE] Democrat of the time. I remember it was a "big deal" when my oldest sister dated a Jewish guy. Also a big deal when she eventually married a Catholic (this was in the early to mid-1960's). Many years later, there was a couple that were very close friends of my parents and the husband was black and the wife was white (and German). I watched my dad's views towards things like that go through quite a transformation over the years.

FTFY

 

[Yup!]

.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

FTFY

Not really. Dad was a Goldwater Republican.

 

[KJQ6945]

Peoples' views sometimes change over time also. When I was very young, my dad was very "Archie Bunker"-like in his attitudes. Not really a rabid racist or anything, but if anything, fairly typical of a white conservative of the time. I remember it was a "big deal" when my oldest sister dated a Jewish guy. Also a big deal when she eventually married a Catholic (this was in the early to mid-1960's). Many years later, there was a couple that were very close friends of my parents and the husband was black and the wife was white (and German). I watched my dad's views towards things like that go through quite a transformation over the years.

FTFY

It's hard for us to realizie, that our parents were still growing up, at the same time, we as kids were. My dad was also very Archie Bunker like, or probably more like Clint Eastwood from "Gran Torino". Life long Democrat, and pretty much just set in his ways.

My parents divorced in the early '70s, which ended our Catholic education. I spent all my weekends with my dad, and one Friday night, dad and I went to pick up a pizza. We ran into my third sister and her new boyfriend at the pizza shop. I was maybe 10 at the time, and I thought the new boyfriend seemed nice enough. Dad was cordial, but even I could tell something was up, I just didn't know what the big deal was.

The new boyfriend was black. They got married a couple years later, and dad refused to attend. The older siblings and their spouses attended, but there was some grumbling, to say the least.

Dad came around eventually. Basically everybody grew to love "John" because he was a great guy, and race had nothing to do with it. He was married to my sister for 40 years until she passed away last year.

People are always growing and changing.

 

[churchmouse]

People are always growing and changing.

Brother if you only knew.....

 

[KittySlayer]

Mommy called the police...

The mother contacted police because she was worried about her son owning the weapon given his age, maturity level and lack of experience handling such a firearm, attorneys Chris Ayres and R. Jack Ayres said.

https://www.kvia.com/crime/el-paso-...efore-shooting-concerned-about-gun/1106944017

Mommy didn't give a name. Mommy had 21 years to instill some maturity in the fruit of her loins.

 

[Usmccookie]

Mommy called the police...



https://www.kvia.com/crime/el-paso-...efore-shooting-concerned-about-gun/1106944017

Mommy didn't give a name. Mommy had 21 years to instill some maturity in the fruit of her loins.

To me this article screamed "red flag laws could've saved lives" agenda...

 

[jamil]

That's interesting, because you are ***ahem*** older, making your father a bit older as well. It's surprising that he was so forward thinking given the era he was from. I have long dead relatives from that era that didn't like the idea at all. I'd imagine that most people from that time didn't look too fondly on the idea.

Peoples' views sometimes change over time also. When I was very young, my dad was very "Archie Bunker"-like in his attitudes. Not really a rabid racist or anything, but if anything, fairly typical of a white conservative of the time. I remember it was a "big deal" when my oldest sister dated a Jewish guy. Also a big deal when she eventually married a Catholic (this was in the early to mid-1960's). Many years later, there was a couple that were very close friends of my parents and the husband was black and the wife was white (and German). I watched my dad's views towards things like that go through quite a transformation over the years.

This was my experience too. My dad grew up in the late 1910s/early 1920s, in South Carolina. He pretty much had the attitude you'd expect, but as he aged, he changed. My sister married a Mexican-American and my dad's biggest objection, at least openly, was that cultural differences would take a toll on the marriage, which is what happened. They were divorced within a few years. I'm not going to say that he completely changed from the culture of his youth. He had his moments. But he did change.

People often evolve with society. I don't have the same political viewpoints I had when I was young. As you get older, life wears away at your youthful idealism, and hopefully, you experience enough lessons to teach you that what's real is usually more important to you than what you thought was ideal.

 

[jamil]

To me this article screamed "red flag laws could've saved lives" agenda...

"I think this person is too immature to have guns" is not a reason to take a person's guns away. Do something that makes that fear evident, and then let's talk. Otherwise it's just a way to disarm people. From the article, the cops said no, there weren't any red flags about this guy. A doting mom who is afraid of her baby shooting his eye out is not a red flag.

The Dayton guy may be different though. Still, red flag law is a kind of law that's like the "porn" ruling. You don't really know how to describe it in words such that your definition always works consistently, but you know it when you see it. And like I said before, ain't no way that the most anti-gun zealot regions of the country wouldn't use that as a defacto gun ban, one person at a time.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

"I think this person is too immature to have guns" is not a reason to take a person's guns away. Do something that makes that fear evident, and then let's talk. Otherwise it's just a way to disarm people. From the article, the cops said no, there weren't any red flags about this guy. A doting mom who is afraid of her baby shooting his eye out is not a red flag.

The Dayton guy may be different though. Still, red flag law is a kind of law that's like the "porn" ruling. You don't really know how to describe it in words such that your definition always works consistently, but you know it when you see it. And like I said before, ain't no way that the most anti-gun zealot regions of the country wouldn't use that as a defacto gun ban, one person at a time.

But what about an anti-gun Santa??

 

[red_zr24x4]

But what about an anti-gun Santa??

Everyone knows Santa has final say...Everyone!

 

[Dead Duck]

Everyone knows Santa has final say...Everyone!

Oh Ya....
Fat geezer with a hit list.

Nobody ****s with Santa.

 

[Thor]

 

[jbombelli]

[video=youtube_share;afLeqqv2z44]http://youtu.be/afLeqqv2z44[/video]

 

[BigRed]

I've not read the entire thread, but I did read the murderer's father is a mental health counselor....

So you have a family member that is a professional in the area of mental health and he apparently sees nothing of concern in his son?

At the same time, the murderer in Dayton looks to be another nut job that gave off plenty of warning signs... and not a peep from anybody.

Fear not, citizen. Abridging your rights that are supposed to be protected under the 2nd and 4th will take care of it.

 

[jamil]

I've not read the entire thread, but I did read the murderer's father is a mental health counselor....

So you have a family member that is a professional in the area of mental health and he apparently sees nothing of concern in his son?

At the same time, the murderer in Dayton looks to be another nut job that gave off plenty of warning signs... and not a peep from anybody.

Fear not, citizen. Abridging your rights that are supposed to be protected under the 2nd and 4th will take care of it.

Fair point on the Dayton shooter. Plenty of red flags. But the El Paso shooter was different. First, it's not clear what kind of relationship he had with his parents. It is clear that he was radicalized. If he didn't talk to his parents much about any of that stuff, I don't know what red flags anyone should detect.

 

[KittySlayer]

I've not read the entire thread, but I did read the murderer's father is a mental health counselor....

It seems to me on the rare interactions I have had with "counselors" that often times their prior (current) lives are typically filled with poor decisions and unnecessary drama. i.e. a marriage counselor on his third wife giving advice to others. Thus my concern with them potentially being arbitrators of Red Flag laws.

 

[lonehoosier]

Thank you Donald Trump for just proving to us all how red flag laws will be miss used.