Can I jam a fireplace poker through your black foot too???
Smartass you always have an answer don't you???
****I await your answer****
I'm the sneaky one, not the one with the nasty hoof.
Can I jam a fireplace poker through your black foot too???
Smartass you always have an answer don't you???
****I await your answer****
Wow. I'm actually getting hate mail for expressing an opinion that differs from the mob mentality.
I'm anti-gun for thinking walking around in a store might scare the people in said store?
You want to drum me off the boards because I don't agree with the mob in this thread on one issue?
Yes, I understand what some people feel is the core issue here, that corporate policy seems to state one thing and local policy conflicts with that. Having worked in the corporate sector the majority of my adult life, I can tell you with great confidence that the people at corporate will always support local managers making conservative calls, and using their best judgement. A corporate policy is not necessarily a bill of rights for anyone to rampage around their store anyway they like.
Now for those of you who apparently feel an opposing viewpoint is somehow threatening to your very existance, by all means, ignore me. You're not someone I would really want to talk to anyway, if you just want me to parrot your opinions back to you verbatim and tell you how right you are. The rest of you, I value your opinions and enjoy the friendly debate.
I'm the sneaky one, not the one with the nasty hoof.
Im going in their on my next day off and see what they do. This stuff is ridiculous. I think everyone should start going in there open carrying and lets just drive them nuts. We should definitely do an open carry event. When can we schedule one or will someone schedule one??? I work midnights but I will go sleep deprived to show up.
Do any of you understand what private property is? It doesn't matter what corporate policy is, the people directly in charge of the store are allowed to make decisions on something like this as they see fit. You're not going to get anyone "fired" by complaining to corporate....the reality of the situation is that corporate is going to get tired of dealing with the hassle and just post a "no open carry" sign. I'm SURE that's what their lawyers will tell them to do, without a doubt. Liability is a funny thing when you are running a business, and you are trying to make a profit. It only takes one idiot to do something stupid.
This particular instance has the ramifications of 3500+ souls who can make this mushroom to some very large numbers, minus the few who just don't get it like you.
I agree with you and that's why I requested that people no longer shop there rather than have a group "OC Day". In this case, however, Cabela's has a clearly-stated policy welcoming armed shoppers (openly or otherwise) and they have a sign at the entrance saying that carrying firearms is allowed. It's like saying "Come on in! We love you!" and then smacking you with a five-iron when you step through the door. They clearly don't want my business and I'm more than happy to comply. But until they change both their company policy and their signage, I don't think it's either fair or right to change their minds after you walk through the door.
I understand the ramifications of OC and am perfectly prepared to be asked to leave. However, this was never about OC in any way, shape, or form.
You know, at first, I thought...."How can this NOT be about OC? The whole thing would not have even happened if you were CC'ing." Then I read your original post again. It dawned on me what the problem was.
OC'ing an XD? Really? Don't you have any decency, sir? I'd have thrown you off the property as well. NOBODY should have to look at those hideous things in public. Sweet Mother of Pearl, man.....think of the children!
You know, at first, I thought...."How can this NOT be about OC? The whole thing would not have even happened if you were CC'ing." Then I read your original post again. It dawned on me what the problem was.
OC'ing an XD? Really? Don't you have any decency, sir? I'd have thrown you off the property as well. NOBODY should have to look at those hideous things in public. Sweet Mother of Pearl, man.....think of the children!
I know you're being glib and that's fine. I'm going to ignore the XD comment because I'm assuming it's out of jealousy over my awesome pistol.
In one of my previous posts, I mentioned "What if you were wearing a Colts jersey". What if? What if you were wearing sandals, or if you shopped while black? Holy God! Can you imagine if they had said "Why should we have to look at you?" to someone shopping while black??! They have a public bathroom. Their public policy is that the bathroom is available for your use. What if you were kicked out for using the bathroom with the comment "Why should we have to look at that?"
The OC was just a catalyst. It was irrelevant. It didn't change the fact that I was treated shabbily for doing nothing wrong at all. I was following their own policy and breaking no laws.
Do a poll to see who open carries and who conceal carries on this board. With the number of LTCH holders in this state, I KNOW that most people CC. People who insist on open carry are a small FRACTION of gun owners, and I'm sure if every open carrier in the state of Indiana stopped going to Cabela's they wouldn't even notice. Their target market is WAY bigger than a few people who can't stand to go anywhere without their pistol exposed.
Now, I am as pro-gun as it gets. I concealed carry pretty much at all times. I can, however, see where the store managers may be coming from.
Most of the people on this board are intelligent and skilled markmen. However, how many of us know friends that own guns that are idiots? Ones that have accidentally discharged weapons, etc? A former friend of mine lost his life showing someone how safe a 45 grip safety was by aiming the gun at his head. Unfortunately he still had a good enough grip to release the safety. This friend worked at a gun store and was very knowledgeable.
If I had a store, and you walked into it with a gun in plain sight, I am thinking there are many potential problems. For starters, you may be a threat. I don't know you have a LTCH. I don't know that you aren't a kook. I don't know that you aren't going to unholster it to show it to someone, even an employee. Accidents happen, and any accidents that happen on their property the business can get sued for. For the store owner, there are no upsides to you wandering the building armed. If they get robbed and you just happen to be standing there, the last thing management would want is for you to go Charles Bronson and start shooting. Policy is to hand over the loot and call the cops, not to confront and maybe get some people killed in the process.
So in summary, the best move for them is to ask you to leave. Whether you can exercise your right is meaningless to them, you are a liability in their eyes, and frankly, you're on private property. They have the right, just like you do in your own home, to set the standard of what they will tolerate in their own building, for the safety of themselves and the customers you may chase off with your "scary" exposed gun.
For me, I can defend myself and the loved ones with me....while at the same time, not scaring the sheeple. They can't ask me to leave if they don't know it's there.
No, you're not. You're like those hunters who say assault rifles are useless and should be banned, they'll never touch your hunting rifles and shotguns. Their store has repeatedly acted against corporate policy.
I bought a handgun at Gander Mountain in Greenwood once. After the sales transaction the salesman said that I had to be escorted outside and that I couldn't have my new purchase until I was out the door. If I knew that this was their policy I never would have bought the gun. Didn't like the way it made me feel and it ticked me off. I can be trusted to buy a firearm from them but I can't be trusted to carry it through the store.
Starting at the opening of business tomorrow 10:00am CDT, I believe we should call the Hammond Cabela's Store Manager on duty (219) 845-9040 to ask for a clarification of their OC policy. Continue throughout the day if the line is busy to get in your 'vote'! Hundreds of phone calls, might get their attention. I live about two miles away from Hammond Cabelas and consider it good for da Region. How disappointing!