Yeah Its a totaly different mindset. Two separate days at the range for me. I like getting pumped up and shooting fast. Safe and accurate fast. But faaaaast.Shooting groups is a slow process compared with a semi-auto's cycle rate. Yes, an AR15 can be very precise...but I was never fond of spending the day punching small holes in pieces of paper. Some guys love it.
What about the Partially semi autos? They're slower, right?Most fully semiautomatics aren't very slow and precise.
Stupid accurate ARs are as slow firing as bolt guns, as long as the guy paying for the Black Hills 77 gr ammo is behind the trigger.
Yeah. I like the sound of a gong or steel. Feedback. We had an old bell set in a box (ricochets) at one of the ranges we used to go to. About 250 to 300 yards, depending were along the line you were. When paper got boring, the gong was rung.
I had a friend that was a cowboy shooter. A pretty good one. His dad gave him an AR15 and took him out to the range at Ben Avery. He hit every steel target set out for it at a very rapid pace. His dad told him to slow down. It wasn't "done" that way. He just smiled.
What about the Partially semi autos? They're slower, right?
When you say "all day" are you referring to how long it will take to shoot a group that backs up your statement?
Your statement implies something like 100% confidence of half MOA. I've yet to see ANY cost-no-object AR put even 90% of its rounds into a half MOA with handloads with a sample size large enough to make that 90% confidence legitimate (i.e. 30 rounds). Almost any AR can be "half moa" for a three shot group here or there. I've done it with my own DDM4 and factory Winchester 69SMK loads. And I am not any kind of skilled marksman.
Show me ANY AR that can put 90% of 30 rounds into a half-moa circle and you'll impress me.
But until then, I'll remain skeptical.
so you are saying a Factory built LaRue isnt going to produce .5 MOA? Shall we call Mark LaRue and see what he thinks about your comments against his rifles? I can guarantee you he would have a few choice words about putting your money where your mouth is. I have yet to see a Factory built LaRue Stealth / OBR shoot a normally crap group then occasionally a good one with an experienced shooter. You are paying for accuracy, but if you think thats all hype and I dont know Devildog70 is a bullpoop artist or not, but he clearly said and referred to a Factory LaRue and I will back him up on those words.... and like I said, we can contact Mr LaRue and inform him a professional shooter on the INGO forums is saying his rifles are not as good as he claims.
The comment was not about 30rds into a .5 moa group. It was about consistently putting out .9 and under.
Your master shooter said that he's never seen a high end rifle do that and then he added the 30rd in 0.5 moa claim
If you are having to tune top end parts you may want to re-evaluate you suppliers. On my 7th build now and I have yet to tune a single build, they all run like raped apes out the gate. Before you give me some line, keep in mind I have daily access to some crazy expensive metrology equipment. Most of you guys would cry if I told you what I know about trigger groups (from many brands including "tier 1).
Marine M16s and M4s are nothing more special than all the other branches.
Not an attempt to keep stirring this terd bowl, but... I've never seen a precision rifle advertised with a 30round sample anywhere ever. I don't know where the 30rd at 1/2moa gold standard even comes from as I've never heard it before. Sniper central rates their guns on a 3 to 5 shot grouping and repeatability of that group. I don't think I've seen them post a 30rd target before. To me they are the gold standard of practical precision gear ratings. I've always seen precision bolt guns sold with 3 or 5 shot groups as their verifier. Arfcom is full of larue customer targets that beat the factory target, it was even a thing and he gave a shirt or something away for anyone proving they beat his test shooters group. No reason a gun that shoots .5moa in 3 shots will not do it for the next 27 shots as long as the person pulling the trigger is doing their job. Barrel will heat up and cause impact issues depending on rate of fire, but running at bolt gun speeds it won't be major or really noticeable with a good barrel