COVID OMICRON Thread

[bobzilla]

I’m not entirely sure that will ever get old.

I can guarantee you it will not.

 

[BugI02]

So then why do we only see the other team (Democrats) as Orwellian?

the letter behind the name changes, but it's still government.

Well, we just had a president with 'R' after his name, and he did his damndest to change the nature of relationship between government and governed and he recognized that very often government IS the problem

There was another guy with an 'R' after his name 36 years prior to 45 who worked the same angle. Both of them had very successful presidencies

I've been voting for over 50 years and I have yet to see someone with a 'D' after their name do that

 

[BugI02]

I’m not entirely sure that will ever get old.

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[BugI02]

Maybe. I always forget that I'm the uneducated/ignorant one in any conversation on INGO where the majority disagrees with me. I know nothing about the PRISM program, please enlighten me.

On that note, if you want to compare PRISM and the handling of the fallout to Orwell, that seems much more logical to me.

 

[jsx1043]

When they say “misinformation” and disinformation,” what they really mean is: DISSENT.

From Reuters:
The White House’s direct engagement with the companies to mitigate the challenge has not been previously reported. Biden’s chief of staff Ron Klain has previously said the administration will try to work with Silicon Valley on the issue.
“Disinformation Dissent that causes vaccine hesitancy is going to be a huge obstacle to getting everyone vaccinated and there are no larger players in that than the social media platforms,” said the source, who has direct knowledge of the White House’s efforts.
“We are talking to them … so they understand the importance of misinformation and disinformation dissent and how they can get rid of it quickly.” 
The Biden White House is especially trying to make sure such material “does not start trending on such platforms and become a broader movement,” the source said.
A spokesperson from Facebook confirmed that the company proactively reached out to the Biden White House to offer “any assistance we can provide.” A Twitter spokesperson said that the company is “in regular communication with the White House on a number of critical issues including COVID-19 misinformation dissent.”

 

[jamil]

So then why do we only see the other team (Democrats) as Orwellian?

the letter behind the name changes, but it's still government.

Because D’s are a lot friendlier with that end of the spectrum. R’s suck too, they just have a different schtick.

 

[Ingomike]

When they say “misinformation” and disinformation,” what they really mean is: DISSENT.

From Reuters:
The White House’s direct engagement with the companies to mitigate the challenge has not been previously reported. Biden’s chief of staff Ron Klain has previously said the administration will try to work with Silicon Valley on the issue.
“Disinformation Dissent that causes vaccine hesitancy is going to be a huge obstacle to getting everyone vaccinated and there are no larger players in that than the social media platforms,” said the source, who has direct knowledge of the White House’s efforts.
“We are talking to them … so they understand the importance of misinformation and disinformation dissent and how they can get rid of it quickly.” 
The Biden White House is especially trying to make sure such material “does not start trending on such platforms and become a broader movement,” the source said.
A spokesperson from Facebook confirmed that the company proactively reached out to the Biden White House to offer “any assistance we can provide.” A Twitter spokesperson said that the company is “in regular communication with the White House on a number of critical issues including COVID-19 misinformation dissent.”

Can you imagine that communication with ANY republican administration?

 

[jamil]

No, I don't think I'm the one being disingenuous in this conversation. Plenty of problems with our government, as there has been for a good long time. The issue I have is that so many people 1) seem to think COVID is the Orwellian tipping point and 2) compare anything from the government that they don't like to Orwell.

It's no different than the Nazi trope...overused, dramatic and exhausting.

I think the reason Orwellian authoritarianism comes to mind in a lot of people is the absolute effort the establishment is putting into maintaining one narrative over all the other possible narratives. The reason people give you a hard time is that you seem to defend the same narrative.

Lies are obviously being told on both sides. And frankly, I think the vaccine skeptical side is very quick to believe their instincts. And that's really a very natural thing. Instinctive knowledge feels a lot like knowing even when it's otherwise baseless. But many of their instincts, regardless of some of the pretty far out things people believe, have turned out to be correct though.

Masks were never going to end the pandemic. Ever. Cloth masks do nothing, but yet cloth-masked Karens brow-beat and shamed the mask skeptical at the encouragement of bat **** crazy media and progressives.

Vaccines were never going to end the pandemic. Turns out at best they might help make your likelihood of dying less. But after the original variant, they didn't really prevent people from becoming infected or spreading it, at least not to the extent promised. And even after that, those ****ers dared to make people who didn't want to be vaccinated, unemployable? **** them.

Zero covid was always an absurd goal. And the skeptics were right about that all along, even if their instincts also cause them to believe the "plandemic" narrative and whatnot. And hell. There's still time. We might find out they were even right about that.

Meanwhile, in Fauciville, USA, people are still wearing cotton masks as if that protects them. ***damn straight Orwellian. Or if not Orwellian, it's a psychosis of Karens.

 

[jamil]

So your proof that the government isn’t acting Orwellian is that a single branch of government blocked a mandate?


Ooook. 66.6% Orwellian then.

Well, if it's not 100% that means it's 0%.

 

[jamil]

Well, we just had a president with 'R' after his name, and he did his damndest to change the nature of relationship between government and governed and he recognized that very often government IS the problem

There was another guy with an 'R' after his name 36 years prior to 45 who worked the same angle. Both of them had very successful presidencies

I've been voting for over 50 years and I have yet to see someone with a 'D' after their name do that

Damn. I did not realize you're that old. You must be almost as old as Churchmouse.

 

[jamil]

When they say “misinformation” and disinformation,” what they really mean is: DISSENT.

From Reuters:
The White House’s direct engagement with the companies to mitigate the challenge has not been previously reported. Biden’s chief of staff Ron Klain has previously said the administration will try to work with Silicon Valley on the issue.
“Disinformation Dissent that causes vaccine hesitancy is going to be a huge obstacle to getting everyone vaccinated and there are no larger players in that than the social media platforms,” said the source, who has direct knowledge of the White House’s efforts.
“We are talking to them … so they understand the importance of misinformation and disinformation dissent and how they can get rid of it quickly.” 
The Biden White House is especially trying to make sure such material “does not start trending on such platforms and become a broader movement,” the source said.
A spokesperson from Facebook confirmed that the company proactively reached out to the Biden White House to offer “any assistance we can provide.” A Twitter spokesperson said that the company is “in regular communication with the White House on a number of critical issues including COVID-19 misinformation dissent.”

What they're really saying is that because the Constitution prevents the government from limiting speech, especially political speech, it's using Democrat-friendly CEO's of tech giants to be the enforcers of the administration's infringement policies.

 

[jamil]

Can you imagine that communication with ANY republican administration?

In the first place, what California tech giant would comply with any Republican trying to do the same thing. And then, what corporate news outlet would not print outrage at the blatant end-run around constitutional free speech protections. Nancy Pelosi would be drawing up articles of impeachment.

 

[jamil]

Continuing the previous rant a bit here. Something else I'm really pissed about is the one-dimensional response to the pandemic. You ask, oh, what about researching treatments? "Oh, we prefer to be proactive." "We think prevention is the best approach." **** you, you arrogant pricks. What about the people who just aren't gonna get the shot? What about the people who can't get it because of some health condition? Why is the only route through the pandemic vaccines? Maybe it's a good one. It's obviously not everything, as we're finding out.

Okay, well, so "proactive" means when people get covid, just tell them to go home and deal with it. Then go to the ER if you turn blue. Oh, and isolate yourself from everyone you love so you can die alone. Because we don't want to even talk about treatment, because then people might be more hesitant to get the vaccine if they think there's a treatment.

I think the "scientific community" has failed us. This unilateral beeline towards vaccines as their only response to COVID, and their lack of curiosity about treatments, made this pandemic far worse for the world, and made themselves untrustworthy. Having a lying ********** like Fauci as the "science" mouthpiece just seals the distrust for many people. A noble lie (giving benefit of doubt here) is still a lie.

This experience living through the last couple of years has soured me on "trust the science". I'm so sick of hearing that. And I don't mean the real ass science. I mean "the science". Like Dr "I'm the Science" Fauci, the people at the top of science who make the proclamations of what IS the science. This has convinced me that scientists should not make public policy. Advisory roles? Sure. But c'mon.

For example. Zero covid my ass. Guess what geniuses? Omicron ass-****ed your "science". Now you look like total idiots. Omicron doesn't give a flying **** about your out of date vaccine. You're as fallible as any human, yet arrogant as any insolent fool. Policy should be made by politicians beholding to the electorate, for obvious reasons. The science didn't get it right. With COVID, the cure (lockdowns/mask mandates/vaccine mandates) was worse than the disease for a lot of people. **** THAT science.

 

[mbills2223]

As you can maybe tell by my recent rant posts, I have moved past this Orwellian debate and it's not because I feel that I've lost on that topic mind you.

I still believe that when the government expects me to believe anything they say without question to justify a mandate over what my own eyes and ears are telling me it is Orwellian in nature IMO.

Fair enough. I can understand and respect it when there is reasoning behind it...there are just so many that throw it out for every little thing. Sorry that I seem to have misjudged the situation.

 

[jsx1043]

Continuing the previous rant a bit here. Something else I'm really pissed about is the one-dimensional response to the pandemic. You ask, oh, what about researching treatments? "Oh, we prefer to be proactive." "We think prevention is the best approach." **** you, you arrogant pricks. What about the people who just aren't gonna get the shot? What about the people who can't get it because of some health condition? Why is the only route through the pandemic vaccines? Maybe it's a good one. It's obviously not everything, as we're finding out.

Okay, well, so that means when people get it, just tell them to go home and deal with it. Then go to the ER if you turn blue. Oh, and isolate yourself from everyone you love so you can die alone. Because we don't want to even talk about treatment, because then people might be more hesitant to get the vaccine if they think there's a treatment.

I think the "scientific community" has failed us. This unilateral beeline towards vaccines as their only response to COVID, and their lack of curiosity about treatments, made this pandemic far worse for the world, and made themselves untrustworthy. Having a lying ********** like Fauci as the mouthpiece just seals the distrust for many people. A noble lie (giving benefit of doubt here) is still a lie.

This experience living through the last couple of years has soured me on "the science". I'm so sick of hearing that. And I don't mean the real ass science. I mean "the science". Like Dr "I'm the Science: Fauci, the people at the top of science who make the decisions of what IS the science. This has convinced me that scientists should not make public policy. Advisory roles? Sure. But c'mon.

For example. Zero covid my ass. Guess what geniuses? Omicron ass-****ed your "science". Now you look like total idiots. Omicron doesn't give a flying **** about your out of date vaccine. You're as fallible as any human, yet arrogant as any insolent fool. Policy should be made by politicians beholding to the electorate, for obvious reasons. The science didn't get it right. With COVID, the cure (lockdowns/mask mandates/vaccine mandates) was worse than the disease for a lot of people. **** THAT science.

And THAT is why so many of us know that, as Tone Lóc pontificates in the wondrous cinematic 1994 masterpiece Ace Ventura: Pet Detective: “Something ain’t stirring the Kool-Aid.”

It doesn’t have to be some crazy conspiracy theory; those of us with some horse sense know that some shenanigans are afoot and we’re being had like rubes at Three Card Monte.

 

[jamil]

Fair enough. I can understand and respect it when there is reasoning behind it...there are just so many that throw it out for every little thing. Sorry that I seem to have misjudged the situation.

You mean it hasn't occurred to you that people do have reasons for saying some of the stuff they say?

 

[nonobaddog]

You mean it hasn't occurred to you that people do have reasons for saying some of the stuff they say?

He is really having a bad day...
or year... life...whatever.

 

[mbills2223]

You mean it hasn't occurred to you that people do have reasons for saying some of the stuff they say?

Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that has happened on INGO. Y'all can deny it all you want, but it has become a bit of an echo chamber here.

 

[nonobaddog]

Continuing the previous rant a bit here. Something else I'm really pissed about is the one-dimensional response to the pandemic. You ask, oh, what about researching treatments? "Oh, we prefer to be proactive." "We think prevention is the best approach." **** you, you arrogant pricks. What about the people who just aren't gonna get the shot? What about the people who can't get it because of some health condition? Why is the only route through the pandemic vaccines? Maybe it's a good one. It's obviously not everything, as we're finding out.

Okay, well, so "proactive" means when people get covid, just tell them to go home and deal with it. Then go to the ER if you turn blue. Oh, and isolate yourself from everyone you love so you can die alone. Because we don't want to even talk about treatment, because then people might be more hesitant to get the vaccine if they think there's a treatment.

I think the "scientific community" has failed us. This unilateral beeline towards vaccines as their only response to COVID, and their lack of curiosity about treatments, made this pandemic far worse for the world, and made themselves untrustworthy. Having a lying ********** like Fauci as the "science" mouthpiece just seals the distrust for many people. A noble lie (giving benefit of doubt here) is still a lie.

This experience living through the last couple of years has soured me on "trust the science". I'm so sick of hearing that. And I don't mean the real ass science. I mean "the science". Like Dr "I'm the Science" Fauci, the people at the top of science who make the proclamations of what IS the science. This has convinced me that scientists should not make public policy. Advisory roles? Sure. But c'mon.

For example. Zero covid my ass. Guess what geniuses? Omicron ass-****ed your "science". Now you look like total idiots. Omicron doesn't give a flying **** about your out of date vaccine. You're as fallible as any human, yet arrogant as any insolent fool. Policy should be made by politicians beholding to the electorate, for obvious reasons. The science didn't get it right. With COVID, the cure (lockdowns/mask mandates/vaccine mandates) was worse than the disease for a lot of people. **** THAT science.

It grates on me to see blame placed on real science. I spent a good chunk of my career doing real science.
This perversion thrown about by fauci and other politicians has nothing to do with real science. They are just bastardizing the word. Every time he uses that word it should be replaced with "bull****" and then the statements involved would be more realistic.

 

[mbills2223]

He is really having a bad day...
or year... life...whatever.

Actually, the last two years or so have been the best of my life. I realize that disagreeing with you and most others on INGO about some things may make me seem like a disgruntled *******, but it's actually quite the opposite.