But...It's science espoused by scientists.
But if one trusts the flu numbers estimates, consistency dictates that one would trust the COVID estimates.
But...It's science espoused by scientists.
But if one trusts the flu numbers estimates, consistency dictates that one would trust the COVID estimates.
But if one trusts the flu numbers estimates, consistency dictates that one would trust the COVID estimates.
have any of those impacts mattered so far? I mean they closed schools when there were 0 cases in the county, only 1 case in all of the counties around us combined. The decision would rest on the superintendents, not the politicians. Schools that are in the red would see it as a lifeline, not having to run busses, etc.
I’ve talked to some parents, e.g. who attend our church, who say they will not be sending their kids back next year no matter what... too risky they say.
ETA: I could also see certain functions/activities restricted... like no or limited bussing, no extracurricular activities (or no/limited spectators), etc.
I really hope I’m wrong. I think it’s at least a real possibility, and you will see it at least some places (not necessarily nationally Or statewide).
-rvb
have any of those impacts mattered so far? I mean they closed schools when there were 0 cases in the county, only 1 case in all of the counties around us combined. The decision would rest on the superintendents, not the politicians. Schools that are in the red would see it as a lifeline, not having to run busses, etc.
I’ve talked to some parents, e.g. who attend our church, who say they will not be sending their kids back next year no matter what... too risky they say.
ETA: I could also see certain functions/activities restricted... like no or limited bussing, no extracurricular activities (or no/limited spectators), etc.
I really hope I’m wrong. I think it’s at least a real possibility, and you will see it at least some places (not necessarily nationally Or statewide).
-rvb
Not true. They know a lot more about seasonal flu than covid. Flu tracking is consistently done year by year. Look how many times they've changed the criteria for covid. How reliable are the tests they do for flu vs covid? That plays into the estimates as well. So I don't think you can relate one to the other to say that both are equally trustworthy. Also, the flu has not been politicized anywhere near the same level of magnitude. With people so divided on covid and policies around it, especially with a CDC that seems eager to lie "for the public good" there are plenty of more reasons to lie about covid than the flu, and plenty more reasons to distrust the numbers we hear compared to the flu.
But if one trusts the flu numbers estimates, consistency dictates that one would trust the COVID estimates.
Not true. They know a lot more about seasonal flu than covid. Flu tracking is consistently done year by year. Look how many times they've changed the criteria for covid. How reliable are the tests they do for flu vs covid? That plays into the estimates as well. So I don't think you can relate one to the other to say that both are equally trustworthy. Also, the flu has not been politicized anywhere near the same level of magnitude. With people so divided on covid and policies around it, especially with a CDC that seems eager to lie "for the public good" there are plenty of more reasons to lie about covid than the flu, and plenty more reasons to distrust the numbers we hear compared to the flu.
Not true. They know a lot more about seasonal flu than covid. Flu tracking is consistently done year by year.
Hold up. Every year the CDC publishes dire estimates about the flu, propping up the profits of the vaccine manufacturers, while admitting that in any given year, the vaccine might not be effective, without really knowing from year to year how effective it is.Also, the flu has not been politicized anywhere near the same level of magnitude. With people so divided on covid and policies around it, especially with a CDC that seems eager to lie "for the public good" there are plenty of more reasons to lie about covid than the flu, and plenty more reasons to distrust the numbers we hear compared to the flu.
We know the flu numbers are a guess. They never claimed anything other than an estimate. The chinese virus numbers are supposed to be a count which would be more accurate than an estimate if only they knew how to count.
Yeah...no...this presupposes all things being equal....which as Jamil points out, they're not.
If one concedes the flu and COVID are inequal, then how does citing flu estimate numbers regarding COVID make any sense?
How do you know?
Hold up. Every year the CDC publishes dire estimates about the flu, propping up the profits of the vaccine manufacturers, while admitting that in any given year, the vaccine might not be effective, without really knowing from year to year how effective it is.
Is it less politicized, or is the US public just accustomed to the cries of "wolf" and we do (or don't do) what we're told about the vaccine.
Sure, we collectively know more about the flu strains. But, if one assumes the CDC has integrity in the flu estimates based on available information, then IMHO consistency still requires faith in the CDC integrity for COVID issues based on available information.
The CDC does not appear to be politicizing COVID. The politicians are.
You mean the scientists espousing scientific findings are not doing science in a scientific fashion?
But if one trusts the flu numbers estimates, consistency dictates that one would trust the COVID estimates.
Bull****. If you're trying to argue that the same conditions exist for estimating the flu as covid, just wow.
Even if we don't consider the political bull****--WHICH THE CDC IS AS GUILTY AS ANY--there are plenty more opportunities to get things wrong with covid, because nearly nothing is known about that compared with the flu. But then add the political bull****, which involves way more at stake than merely trying to boost vaccine sales, I have to assume you have both eyes closed.
1. I was talking about INGOers and other people who compare COVID to the flu.
B. Broadly speaking, the scientists doing science on COVID appear to be stating their scientific findings in sciency ways as the science is being done. So, not every theory will be proven correct. Different discoveries will be made that contradict or undermine prior assumptions. That's life. That's science. That's public policy.
USians deserve the best information available to make the most informed decisions, even if that information is incomplete.
IMHO the real problem lies with certain public figures who leverage appropriate fear and uncertainty for personal and/or political gain. But, that's the nature of that particular beast.
You know that's not what I'm saying. Nice straw man, Pam.
The only part about that I'm curious about (including the unnecessary ad hom) is the part about the CDC and political bull****. Upon what do you base that conclusion?
Okay. So wait. Are you now saying that the estimating process between covid and the flu are unequal now?
If one concedes the flu and COVID are inequal, then how does citing flu estimate numbers regarding COVID make any sense?
Inconsistent policy. Policy that's incongruent with what's known at the time. And, they've been engaged in the fear mongering as much as any. Doesn't help that they went along with the "doesn't spread to humans" bull**** at the start of this when there was evidence to the contrary.