Coronavirus II

[Alpo]

So you know the answer to "Where's Waldo?".

Great country up there plus easy access to Boundary Waters, nice.

And mosquitos the size of falcons.

 

[CampingJosh]

If it would simply be 30% for two months then sure, but I have a hard time believing that there will be a return to "normal" anytime soon. We don't even know if two months is all it will take or if it will re-appear. I suspect the impact of the path we've taken will be felt forever as well. The impact on businesses is going to be staggering. What successful business plans to have zero or near zero income for two months or more? Having a spouse working in non-profit where all their revenue is generated from events and half of those events have been canceled for 2020 they are staring at a big hurdle to even pay rent on a building they aren't using and pay staff that can only do so much right now. All of the businesses and individuals that would normally donate to them are also in limbo waiting to see what will happen next.

You don't have to convince me; I also work at a nonprofit where the revenue is event-driven. I'm looking at the same issues. Fortunately we have no debt (paid off in 2018), so I think we have a good chance to survive this thing.

Letting the virus run its course and kill a huge number of people doesn't get us back to normal, either.

 

[jamil]

Of the things you listed, the only one that we know is that it can cause your immune system to attack the lungs.

We don't know the mortality rate. We don't know mortality rate by age group. We don't know the R0 value. We don't know these things, because we don't have the data to know those things. We simply can't compare novel coronavirus to the flu, because we don't yet do enough testing to know how many people are being infected. Only once we know how many people are/were/have been infected, can we know any of those things, much less, compare them with the flu.

We know that it can be very serious for those whom it infects - and particularly so for certain demographics. We can and should act on that information.

Whether that information, alone, is sufficient to scuttle the world's most massive economy, or to willingly cede civil liberties to the government, is a legitimate question.

We know that the rates for some countries approximately track the rates that other countries are seeing. We don't know the numbers down to a fraction. But as far as mortality rates, and by age groups, and the R0 value, we have a range, where the lower limit is derived from the statistics, and the upper limit is a guess based on models. Because we aren't testing everyone, what we know from the statistics is that these numbers a minimum. And what that tells us is that this isn't the ***damn flu. Is it worth shutting the economy down over? I don't know. It's a discussion worth having. Maybe we're shutting down too much. Or maybe in 3 or 4 weeks we'll all be thinking we didn't shut down enough. I think NY right now doesn't think they shut down enough early enough.

 

[Alpo]

I already know it's a trap when you offer to let me kill you for your resources. I'm also fairly confident that if I needed your resources that badly, you'd probably help me out as much as you could anyhow... as I would for others as well.

So...

True dat.

Maybe if given the choice, I'd go out in a firefight rather than suffocating from a virus.

What's the MOS for crippled old guy?

Any active war zones left?

 

[T.Lex]

What's the MOS for crippled old guy?

CINC

 

[maxwelhse]

True dat.

Maybe if given the choice, I'd go out in a firefight rather than suffocating from a virus.

What's the MOS for crippled old guy?

Any active war zones left?

Token liberal on a gun forum in one of the reddest states in the country?

 

[jamil]

I found it odd that the FDA approved hydroxychloroquine for "off label" use.

It's not illegal for a physician to prescribe a medication for a condition it is not approved for. Happens all the time. Manufacturers are not allowed to advertise or promote a drug for a condition it is not approved for, but there is no law against doctors prescribing "off label", subject, of course, to the medical standard of care.

I don't quite know what approving a drug for "off label" use does. Maybe it gives health systems and docs cover who have policies against prescribing drugs for "off label" use? I don't know.

The drug is already approved for treating malaria. I think if the people who are in dire circumstances are willing to try it, they should be able to regardless. If it's just a matter of not getting sued, can they sign something that says, "**** it. Just give me the ****."

 

[nonobaddog]

And mosquitos the size of falcons.

Yes, but I use bifrenthrin and nyguard IGR around my cabin and it helps tremendously.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Looking at the worldometers website just now, it appears the # of "Recovered" now exceeds "Deaths" by 700. That's the first time I think that's happened. Hopefully, that trend will continue and quickly.

 

[Alpo]

CINC

 

[actaeon277]

And mosquitos the size of falcons.

Damn things were so loud on one island, it sounded like they were in the tent.

 

[HoughMade]

The drug is already approved for treating malaria. I think if the people who are in dire circumstances are willing to try it, they should be able to regardless. If it's just a matter of not getting sued, can they sign something that says, "**** it. Just give me the ****."

Let's just say that as a guy who defends malpractice suits against healthcare providers, I wouldn't be too concerned about the "**** it., Just give me the ****." cutting into my business....but whatever helps the healthcare administrators sleep at night.

 

[maxwelhse]

Damn things were so loud on one island, it sounded like they were in the tent.

Sounds like there's a lot more about submarines than I've yet to learn...

 

[jamil]

[video=youtube;I3xpRZITi2w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3xpRZITi2w[/video]

yeah, that showed up in my youtube feed. Pretty good. And I'm not even a country music fan.

 

[qwerty]

Sweden will be one to watch.

Sweden bucks global trend with experimental virus strategy

 

[nonobaddog]

Sounds like there's a lot more about submarines than I've yet to learn...

Must be some very special tents.

 

[actaeon277]

Sounds like there's a lot more about submarines than I've yet to learn...

I canoe'd a 50 miler with the Scouts in the Boundary Waters.
On one island, the flies were particularly bad.

 

[ditcherman]

Looking at the worldometers website just now, it appears the # of "Recovered" now exceeds "Deaths" by 700. That's the first time I think that's happened. Hopefully, that trend will continue and quickly.

On BNO the-latest-coronavirus-cases , worldwide, the reported recovered is 114495 and the deaths are 23607.

Where is the data you are looking at represent?

 

[maxwelhse]

I canoe'd a 50 miler with the Scouts in the Boundary Waters.
On one island, the flies were particularly bad.

Would it have killed you to just run with the joke? A couple of days ago your boat had boobs! C'mon man!

 

[nonobaddog]

Looking at the worldometers website just now, it appears the # of "Recovered" now exceeds "Deaths" by 700. That's the first time I think that's happened. Hopefully, that trend will continue and quickly.

With a fatality rate of less than 50% it had to happen some time but yes, a very good sign. I hope there are lots of health care providers among the recovered.

Although, "recovered" only means they don't have COVID-19 anymore, they still could have debilitating damage from the ordeal.