I keep hearing about a "movement" but I can't detect any actual motion. This effort has been going on for over a year, what progress has been made? Where are any discussions being held about the actual issue rather than just about the protests? If this is truly about bringing an important issue into the national discussion why is no one discussing it? Why don't the media types and others who claim sympathy and solidarity with the players ever actually discuss what these protests are about?
I strongly support the players' first amendment right to free speech. But the first amendment only protects one from the government. It does not shield anyone from their employer or the economic backlash from their fellow citizens. They have every right to kneel during the anthem. Their employer has every right to take disciplinary action for breaching societal expectations while representing the team. Granted the union will have some say over this through collective bargaining but that is a side issue.
Protest is a tool used to bring an injustice to the public's attention. This is used to create dialogue about the issue and to exert pressure to foster change. Since the protesters are thus far not actually speaking about the issue, all of their actions so far have been for nothing. All of the individuals protesting in this manner are supposedly college educated. They give interviews all the time. Why can't one of them actually talk about the issue or what actions they are seeking?
In order for there to be a national discussion the dialogue has to start somewhere. If there is an actual message I wish someone would get around to sharing it.
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I keep hearing about a "movement" but I can't detect any actual motion. This effort has been going on for over a year, what progress has been made? Where are any discussions being held about the actual issue rather than just about the protests? If this is truly about bringing an important issue into the national discussion why is no one discussing it? Why don't the media types and others who claim sympathy and solidarity with the players ever actually discuss what these protests are about?
I strongly support the players' first amendment right to free speech. But the first amendment only protects one from the government. It does not shield anyone from their employer or the economic backlash from their fellow citizens. They have every right to kneel during the anthem. Their employer has every right to take disciplinary action for breaching societal expectations while representing the team. Granted the union will have some say over this through collective bargaining but that is a side issue.
Protest is a tool used to bring an injustice to the public's attention. This is used to create dialogue about the issue and to exert pressure to foster change. Since the protesters are thus far not actually speaking about the issue, all of their actions so far have been for nothing. All of the individuals protesting in this manner are supposedly college educated. They give interviews all the time. Why can't one of them actually talk about the issue or what actions they are seeking?
In order for there to be a national discussion the dialogue has to start somewhere. If there is an actual message I wish someone would get around to sharing it.
The NFL rules already direct team behavior during the national anthem. Because of the ****-storm, teams are now enforcing the rules. It was a ****ty way to protest. It was actually a ****ty thing to protest. The country doesn't oppress black people and people of color.
Have you actually looked, or have you been like most people who dislike the protests and automatically dismissed the protests?
Read more: Woman throws drink on Lakers fans for kneeling for anthem | Daily Mail OnlineA woman was recorded throwing her drink on two men at a Los Angeles Lakers game for kneeling during the national anthem.
Haley Perea of California is the woman in the video who approaches two men of color who are seated and yells: 'Excuse me, this is for the national anthem you pieces of s***'.
I've looked and not found anything. So, please tell me where to look. I am interested in this topic and seeing some actual dialogue. This is an issue that creates division and if it is this important to a group of American citizens than it should be important to all of us.
Here's an interesting case of someone being triggered:
Read more: Woman throws drink on Lakers fans for kneeling for anthem | Daily Mail Online
So, if this woman was charged with battery, which I assure you, is what she committed, and you sat on the jury, would you vote convict?
If the definition of battery includes the act she did, and it’s proven she did it, yes. Guilty. She has every right to speak her mind. She doesn’t have a right to do that.
Disagree... and amazingly enough, it seems most people of color (and a lot of people without color) seem to agree.
Disagree... and amazingly enough, it seems most people of color (and a lot of people without color) seem to agree.
I am certain there is silent racism perpetrated against individuals of every race every day. It is part of the human condition, unfortunately. The thing is, everyone, knowingly or unknowingly, is guilty of it to some degree. The question is how do we continue to move forward. Great strides have been made in this area in our lifetimes. That is something to be proud of even if the things that necessitated it are not. Sadly, while much progress has been made there are still huge issues including socio-economic factors that have remained stagnant for decades.
There are evil people among us. They use division to push a personal agenda. It happens on all sides of the equation. The vast majority of people want to do what's right. Most people don't want this hanging over everyone's head any longer. So, IMO, we first must acknowledge that the majority wants a positive change. Not everyone has negative thoughts about races other than their own. So the finger pointing, on all sides, must stop. We must find the common ground and continue to move forward. We must eliminate the sacred cows and not have topics that are forbidden to discuss. Let's start the dialogue with everyone's best interests in mind and do the right thing for our country and all of her citizens.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. You need to make your antecedents clearer. I'm thinking you disagree with my statement. But I don't know if you're saying the group seems to agree with you, or agrees with my statement.