Colin Kaepernick protests the Anthem

[Kutnupe14]

Looks like Fox has had enough
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised: To Avoid Ratings-Killing Protests, Fox Decides They Will No Longer Air the National Anthem
Fox Sports: We Will No Longer Air National Anthem Before NFL Games | HuffPost

That's what they should've done in the first place.

 

[KLB]

That's what they should've done in the first place.

I totally agree. If they had just ignored him when it started, this would have been dead long ago.

 

[Denny347]

Many police department s have a very poor history with their communities they serve. These "histories" lead to a distrust of the police and a police distrust of the public...lose-lose situation. The time for pointing fingers is coming to an end and we must open communications, even if we have to take the first step and reach out to a hostile audience. I see the future of policing in the US as a move BACK to the 9 Peelian Principles that were so well stated 180 years ago. The closer to these we stay, the better off we will all be...especially #7.

• The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
• The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.
• Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
• The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
• Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
• Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.
• Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
• Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
• The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Many police department s have a very poor history with their communities they serve. These "histories" lead to a distrust of the police and a police distrust of the public...lose-lose situation. The time for pointing fingers is coming to an end and we must open communications, even if we have to take the first step and reach out to a hostile audience. I see the future of policing in the US as a move BACK to the 9 Peelian Principles that were so well stated 180 years ago. The closer to these we stay, the better off we will all be...especially #7.

• The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
• The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.
• Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
• The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
• Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
• Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.
• Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
• Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
• The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

You're making me count dots. But +1.
Why are you teaching at an academy someplace? You get it.

 

[jamil]

I don't know much about this. But it seems very reasonable. If these points were articulated 180 years ago, why are we not doing them now?i

Many police department s have a very poor history with their communities they serve. These "histories" lead to a distrust of the police and a police distrust of the public...lose-lose situation. The time for pointing fingers is coming to an end and we must open communications, even if we have to take the first step and reach out to a hostile audience. I see the future of policing in the US as a move BACK to the 9 Peelian Principles that were so well stated 180 years ago. The closer to these we stay, the better off we will all be...especially #7.

• The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
• The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.
• Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
• The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
• Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
• Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.
• Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
• Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
• The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

 

[Denny347]

You're making me count dots. But +1.
Why are you teaching at an academy someplace? You get it.

Ha, I do when I can get away from shift. I am currently teaching Mental Health First Aid to our officers and will be teaching Surviving Verbal Conflicts next year to the Dept. I applied to and should be moving to our academy as a full-time instructor sometime in the near future.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Ha, I do when I can get away from shift. I am currently teaching Mental Health First Aid to our officers and will be teaching Surviving Verbal Conflicts next year to the Dept. I applied to and should be moving to our academy as a full-time instructor sometime in the near future.

We need more like you.

 

[churchmouse]

We need more like you.

Yes. Yes we do.

 

[jamil]

We need more like you.

Yes. Yes we do.

Oh jeez. Now he's gonna think he's special.

 

[rhino]

Oh jeez. Now he's gonna think he's special.

And he's going to Denny all of the discussions at the academy!

 

[Denny347]

We need more like you.

Yes. Yes we do.

Oh jeez. Now he's gonna think he's special.

And he's going to Denny all of the discussions at the academy!

 

[actaeon277]

I don't know much about this. But it seems very reasonable. If these points were articulated 180 years ago, why are we not doing them now?i

I'm not a police officer, so my opinion means nothing.
But I'm thinking
Police often deal with people at their worse. As bad as murderers, rapists, child molesters... down to flat tires, informing people of deaths, handing out tickets.
Those people tend to "behave badly".
Dealing with that, day after day, year after year
It's probably easy to fall into the easy route.
Which is NOT those points. Those points require effort/work.

I'm not pointing fingers and blame.
I have been guilty myself at work, when bosses or workers are screaming,, to scream right back at them.
Which causes escalation.


I've consciously made efforts to "deescalate", which works better.
But I'm not dealing with police have to deal with.

 

[churchmouse]

I'm not a police officer, so my opinion means nothing.
But I'm thinking
Police often deal with people at their worse. As bad as murderers, rapists, child molesters... down to flat tires, informing people of deaths, handing out tickets.
Those people tend to "behave badly".
Dealing with that, day after day, year after year
It's probably easy to fall into the easy route.
Which is NOT those points. Those points require effort/work.

I'm not pointing fingers and blame.
I have been guilty myself at work, when bosses or workers are screaming,, to scream right back at them.
Which causes escalation.


I've consciously made efforts to "deescalate", which works better.
But I'm not dealing with police have to deal with.

When you spend more than half your day dealing with garbage the stink tends to get on you.
When you try and do the right thing and people organize (meaningless false premise) protests against who you are and what you stand for.
When no matter what you do the media grills you for dinner in the search for ratings/profit.

When good that you do is ignored.

 

[Denny347]

Un addressed stress can also lead to a feeling of "us v. them" and hypervigilance. Officers are immersed in crime that they cannot see anything but criminals. We cannot avoid what we have to deal with on-duty. However, we can control what we do off-duty https://www.policeone.com/health-fi...duty-life-is-important-for-stress-management/
Even stopping to eat in the worse areas of town, you are reminded just how many "good people" live in those areas, if you take the time to talk to them. It is very easy to forget that most citizens are law abiding and the world is not as dark as we might believe. This is something I've come to realize over the course of the last several years.

 

[Vigilant]

Un addressed stress can also lead to a feeling of "us v. them" and hypervigilance. Officers are immersed in crime that they cannot see anything but criminals. We cannot avoid what we have to deal with on-duty. However, we can control what we do off-duty https://www.policeone.com/health-fi...duty-life-is-important-for-stress-management/
Even stopping to eat in the worse areas of town, you are reminded just how many "good people" live in those areas, if you take the time to talk to them. It is very easy to forget that most citizens are law abiding and the world is not as dark as we might believe. This is something I've come to realize over the course of the last several years.

 

[jamil]

I'm not a police officer, so my opinion means nothing.
But I'm thinking
Police often deal with people at their worse. As bad as murderers, rapists, child molesters... down to flat tires, informing people of deaths, handing out tickets.
Those people tend to "behave badly".
Dealing with that, day after day, year after year
It's probably easy to fall into the easy route.
Which is NOT those points. Those points require effort/work.

I'm not pointing fingers and blame.
I have been guilty myself at work, when bosses or workers are screaming,, to scream right back at them.
Which causes escalation.


I've consciously made efforts to "deescalate", which works better.
But I'm not dealing with police have to deal with.

Some of those points help to see the normality of humanity. Working with the community that they're policing, it seems would give them something besides criminals to sample.

 

[ghitch75]

crazy ***** endorsement......

Kathy Griffin to Colin Kaepernick: 'Proud of you' for your activism | Fox News

 

[churchmouse]

crazy ***** endorsement......

Kathy Griffin to Colin Kaepernick: 'Proud of you' for your activism | Fox News

Consider the source. She is still struggling to be relevant.

 

[jamil]

Consider the source. She is still struggling to be relevant.

Or she's struggling to signal her virtue.

 

[actaeon277]

I didn't hear of any police in Vegas protecting only "their" group.
Imagine that.

Still waiting to hear about the NFL heroes and all they did.